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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5079643" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>Again... who is arguing that new gamers will reject the new set because it isn't like the old? What I, and many others I think, are stating is that we don't believe that the play vs. pay of this boxed set is a good deal... we then refer to the red box, or even other TSR boxed sets as examples of what we feel would be a better value for one's dollar. </p><p> </p><p>1-3 isn't the gold standard... again we are talking about the amount of play one gets in for $20. 4e's advancement rate is so fast that playing two levels isn't much play time, or at least not as much as some of us believe is necessary to really get people hooked into the game.</p><p> </p><p>I just don't believe there is enough fun in beginner DM's and beginner players stumbling through the first two levels to intice them to spend more money, I mean... first impressions are everything,and I believe unless time is given to really get in a groove with running and playing 4e it can easily turn off some people who would have enjoyed it after getting over it's growing pains. And as a side note, let's assume these new players don't have the guidance of DDI articles, forum goers, etc.</p><p> </p><p>Honestly, I feel like this set is marketed more towards gamers and former gamers than in actually getting new blood into the hobby... I mean according to your own logic... it's packaging would be unrecognisable to new potential gamers, so why use it? The only logical answer is to play on the nostalgia of current and former gamers.</p><p> </p><p>The problem with this is that I think by using that imagery as a marketing tactic, you set up expectations in consumers who are familiar with the old boxed set (whether purposefully invoking those feelings or not) and failing to live up to and even exceed the old set could make even more people dissapointed in the new beginner set for D&D. Especially if it is little more than the same starter set they've brought out for 3.0/3.5 or 4e in a new package with a few tweaks. YMMV of course.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 5079643, member: 48965"] Again... who is arguing that new gamers will reject the new set because it isn't like the old? What I, and many others I think, are stating is that we don't believe that the play vs. pay of this boxed set is a good deal... we then refer to the red box, or even other TSR boxed sets as examples of what we feel would be a better value for one's dollar. 1-3 isn't the gold standard... again we are talking about the amount of play one gets in for $20. 4e's advancement rate is so fast that playing two levels isn't much play time, or at least not as much as some of us believe is necessary to really get people hooked into the game. I just don't believe there is enough fun in beginner DM's and beginner players stumbling through the first two levels to intice them to spend more money, I mean... first impressions are everything,and I believe unless time is given to really get in a groove with running and playing 4e it can easily turn off some people who would have enjoyed it after getting over it's growing pains. And as a side note, let's assume these new players don't have the guidance of DDI articles, forum goers, etc. Honestly, I feel like this set is marketed more towards gamers and former gamers than in actually getting new blood into the hobby... I mean according to your own logic... it's packaging would be unrecognisable to new potential gamers, so why use it? The only logical answer is to play on the nostalgia of current and former gamers. The problem with this is that I think by using that imagery as a marketing tactic, you set up expectations in consumers who are familiar with the old boxed set (whether purposefully invoking those feelings or not) and failing to live up to and even exceed the old set could make even more people dissapointed in the new beginner set for D&D. Especially if it is little more than the same starter set they've brought out for 3.0/3.5 or 4e in a new package with a few tweaks. YMMV of course. [/QUOTE]
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