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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 4953447" data-attributes="member: 5143">Obviously I negated hit chance for that particular example.&nbsp; But even assuming that with hit chances it means that you average 1 damage to you for every 2 you do to an enemy, that still means that in 10 rounds of combat, you've taken 30 damage to do 60 to the enemy.&nbsp; Assuming my level 12 character, that's my healing surge value.If you had an item that said &quot;Spend a healing surge to do 60 damage to an enemy&quot; that you wouldn't take it?&nbsp; And that it wouldn't be kind of overpowered.&nbsp; Especially considering if everyone had one, we could just spend 2 healing surges each and defeat the entire encounter.Besides, when I use my bloodclaw weapon, I attempt to stack all the modifiers in my favor when I do so.&nbsp; Most often, I get the Cleric to Righteous Brand while I have combat advantage.&nbsp; Then I have +25 to hit.&nbsp; I hit on 3s against level 12 Soldiers with that bonus to hit.&nbsp; 2s against everything else.It's that damage stacks quickly.&nbsp; A level 12 Brute has 150 hitpoints.&nbsp; If there are 3 people in the party with +3 Bloodclaw weapons, each of which can attack twice during the same round(on average due to Rain of Blows, Ranger attacks, some Barbarian powers, Action points, etc) and they all hit(let's assume best case scenario, easily possible if the creature is dazed or everyone has flanking), the Bloodclaw bonus damage alone does 54 damage.&nbsp; This almost definitely kills that creature in one round of attacks after adding in all the actual damage from the attacks.Compare that to a group that decided to take non-bloodclaw weapons of the equivalent level and there is virtually no way for that group to kill that Brute in one round.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 4953447, member: 5143"] Obviously I negated hit chance for that particular example. But even assuming that with hit chances it means that you average 1 damage to you for every 2 you do to an enemy, that still means that in 10 rounds of combat, you've taken 30 damage to do 60 to the enemy. Assuming my level 12 character, that's my healing surge value. If you had an item that said "Spend a healing surge to do 60 damage to an enemy" that you wouldn't take it? And that it wouldn't be kind of overpowered. Especially considering if everyone had one, we could just spend 2 healing surges each and defeat the entire encounter. Besides, when I use my bloodclaw weapon, I attempt to stack all the modifiers in my favor when I do so. Most often, I get the Cleric to Righteous Brand while I have combat advantage. Then I have +25 to hit. I hit on 3s against level 12 Soldiers with that bonus to hit. 2s against everything else. It's that damage stacks quickly. A level 12 Brute has 150 hitpoints. If there are 3 people in the party with +3 Bloodclaw weapons, each of which can attack twice during the same round(on average due to Rain of Blows, Ranger attacks, some Barbarian powers, Action points, etc) and they all hit(let's assume best case scenario, easily possible if the creature is dazed or everyone has flanking), the Bloodclaw bonus damage alone does 54 damage. This almost definitely kills that creature in one round of attacks after adding in all the actual damage from the attacks. Compare that to a group that decided to take non-bloodclaw weapons of the equivalent level and there is virtually no way for that group to kill that Brute in one round. [/QUOTE]

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