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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9010896" data-attributes="member: 93670">I think that you are overlooking the reality grounding much of the discussion with that note about what &quot;everyone is focused on&quot;.&nbsp; The wizard can't make an arcana check to learn a spell they saw getting cast.&nbsp; In order to copy a spell into their spellbook for that memorize-&gt;modify spell&nbsp; combo to matter beyond their base levelup gained spells a wizard needs to first find a scroll or spellbook with a spell they lack.&nbsp; Sure it says scroll or spellbook... but the sorcerer bard cleric druid paladin ranger &amp; at least the 2014 EK/AT&nbsp; don't use spellbooks... A wizard is only copying those from another wizard at the table.&nbsp; On the loot side of things though, 5e is not 2e or 3.x, I'd not be surprised if there were more scrolls in a single dungeon from TyP's reprints than entire 5e HC adventures if not multiply non-TyP HC adventures combined.&nbsp; Spellbooks are in an even more&nbsp; dire situation of being almost exclusively end boss (or close) loot too late to matter even if found. People aren't bringing it up because wotc has made it clear that spellbooks &amp; scrolls should be nearly impossible to find.&nbsp; Even if the wizard does find a scroll or spellbook that they don't already have &amp; didn't need to pay for it's still not useful for that memorize spell scenario without spending a good bit more gold that everyone else (including the sorcerer) is going to be spending on magic items that usually provide a direct bump in PC power</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9010896, member: 93670"] I think that you are overlooking the reality grounding much of the discussion with that note about what "everyone is focused on". The wizard [I]can't[/I] make an arcana check to learn a spell they saw getting cast. In order to copy a spell into their spellbook for that memorize->modify spell combo to matter beyond their base levelup gained spells a wizard needs to first [I]find[/I] a scroll or spellbook with a spell they lack. Sure it says scroll or spellbook... but the sorcerer bard cleric druid paladin ranger & at least the 2014 EK/AT don't use spellbooks... A wizard is only copying those from another wizard at the table. On the loot side of things though, 5e is not 2e or 3.x, I'd not be surprised if there were more scrolls in a single dungeon from TyP's reprints than entire 5e HC adventures if not multiply non-TyP HC adventures combined. Spellbooks are in an even more dire situation of being almost exclusively end boss (or close) loot too late to matter even if found. People aren't bringing it up because wotc has made it clear that spellbooks & scrolls should be nearly impossible to find. Even if the wizard does find a scroll or spellbook that they don't already have & didn't need to pay for it's still not useful for that memorize spell scenario without spending a good bit more gold that everyone else (including the sorcerer) is going to be spending on magic items that usually provide a direct bump in PC power [/QUOTE]

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