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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 3784035" data-attributes="member: 18">I dunno about kid's shows, but teen/18-36 shows? Buffy, Dark Angel, presumably Bionic Woman, almost every comedy show that has a female lead (and there are a lot of them - most recent being Ugly Betty), Cagney and Lacey, Alias, Charmed (ugh), many ensemble cast cartoons have girls in both the &quot;tough&quot; and &quot;smart&quot; roles, etc. I don't buy the argument that it's the &quot;dominant&quot; dynamic, but I would say it's a common one. Notably some female-oriented/dominated shows didn't put the females in a Kim Possible-like role, but rather have men absent, or as inevitably &quot;dreamy&quot; guys (Sabrina, the live-action show, for example).Personally, I like that dynamic, and think that it would improve society for it to stick with it for a couple of decades before going to a more egalitarian dynamic. Kim Possible is more extreme than most, but that's because a &quot;silly&quot;-oriented cartoon, not because it's &quot;more xtreme&quot; or what have you. Women haven't been &quot;useless&quot; in most drama for decades, so men don't normally have to become &quot;useless&quot; for it to be a reversal, I'd suggest. It's more like a reversal of '50s gender roles, than say, even, '70s gender roles (and the '70s had a lot of tough guys).As for the D&amp;D cartoon, you were clearly just too old for it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />It was no Thunderbirds 2086 or better yet, Ulysess 31, though I admit, and I suspect it's no coincidence those were basically &quot;anime&quot;. I love the Gummy Bears too, I have to admit, that was a surprisingly advanced show in a number of ways. Directly inspired a couple of my earliest D&amp;D adventures too, if I'm honest.I have to admit though, I have little love for Kim Possible, so I'm biased. I find it's aesthetics faintly annoying, and as I said, the male/female reversal seems severely retro to me, not &quot;clever&quot;. I mean, when I grew up, my heroes were people like Sigourney Weaver in Aliens, Cagney and Lacey (seriously), Wonder Woman, She Ra and so on (I didn't like He-Man, he seemed like a jerk), so it seems to me like disempowering male characters more, whilst humorous, isn't terribly original. Also that naked mole rat = phallus deal creeps me the hell out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 3784035, member: 18"] I dunno about kid's shows, but teen/18-36 shows? Buffy, Dark Angel, presumably Bionic Woman, almost every comedy show that has a female lead (and there are a lot of them - most recent being Ugly Betty), Cagney and Lacey, Alias, Charmed (ugh), many ensemble cast cartoons have girls in both the "tough" and "smart" roles, etc. I don't buy the argument that it's the "dominant" dynamic, but I would say it's a common one. Notably some female-oriented/dominated shows didn't put the females in a Kim Possible-like role, but rather have men absent, or as inevitably "dreamy" guys (Sabrina, the live-action show, for example). Personally, I like that dynamic, and think that it would improve society for it to stick with it for a couple of decades before going to a more egalitarian dynamic. Kim Possible is more extreme than most, but that's because a "silly"-oriented cartoon, not because it's "more xtreme" or what have you. Women haven't been "useless" in most drama for decades, so men don't normally have to become "useless" for it to be a reversal, I'd suggest. It's more like a reversal of '50s gender roles, than say, even, '70s gender roles (and the '70s had a lot of tough guys). As for the D&D cartoon, you were clearly just too old for it :p It was no Thunderbirds 2086 or better yet, Ulysess 31, though I admit, and I suspect it's no coincidence those were basically "anime". I love the Gummy Bears too, I have to admit, that was a surprisingly advanced show in a number of ways. Directly inspired a couple of my earliest D&D adventures too, if I'm honest. I have to admit though, I have little love for Kim Possible, so I'm biased. I find it's aesthetics faintly annoying, and as I said, the male/female reversal seems severely retro to me, not "clever". I mean, when I grew up, my heroes were people like Sigourney Weaver in Aliens, Cagney and Lacey (seriously), Wonder Woman, She Ra and so on (I didn't like He-Man, he seemed like a jerk), so it seems to me like disempowering male characters more, whilst humorous, isn't terribly original. Also that naked mole rat = phallus deal creeps me the hell out. [/QUOTE]

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