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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9513092" data-attributes="member: 18">That doesn't make any sense at all and is anti-thematic. It's also in direct opposition to fantasy fiction on this topic.The idea that Warlocks universally &quot;haven't identified their patron&quot; until L3 when the patron may well be a very specific and pleased-with-themselves Devil or the like is obviously laughable. It's also massively narrowing to the RP possibilities if you take that attitude, as every single patron has to be some sort of mysterious unidentified voice.It's just Warlocks and Clerics, who should obviously have had an L1 choice, are forced to L3 because WotC decided to force every subclass to L3 with 2024. There's nothing more to it. It's a clumsy bit of symmetry-for-the-sake-of-symmetry design that will no doubt be abandoned with whatever the next edition (or whatever we're calling this) of D&amp;D is.Mechanically it's fine, thematically it's completely rubbish. Your approach is a lot more reasonable than &quot;U have no idea who ur patron is&quot;, but it's just needless standardization treading on thee theme of a class - it's hardly the only 2024 class trodden on by this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9513092, member: 18"] That doesn't make any sense at all and is anti-thematic. It's also in direct opposition to fantasy fiction on this topic. The idea that Warlocks universally "haven't identified their patron" until L3 when the patron may well be a very specific and pleased-with-themselves Devil or the like is obviously laughable. It's also massively narrowing to the RP possibilities if you take that attitude, as every single patron has to be some sort of mysterious unidentified voice. It's just Warlocks and Clerics, who should obviously have had an L1 choice, are forced to L3 because WotC decided to force every subclass to L3 with 2024. There's nothing more to it. It's a clumsy bit of symmetry-for-the-sake-of-symmetry design that will no doubt be abandoned with whatever the next edition (or whatever we're calling this) of D&D is. Mechanically it's fine, thematically it's completely rubbish. Your approach is a lot more reasonable than "U have no idea who ur patron is", but it's just needless standardization treading on thee theme of a class - it's hardly the only 2024 class trodden on by this. [/QUOTE]

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