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<blockquote data-quote="Kurotowa" data-source="post: 9136142" data-attributes="member: 27957"><p>Getting away from the numbers argument, I've been looking into the revised subclasses to see what they have to offer. Archfey I'm not entirely sold on. Maybe the teleport gimmick has legs, but I dunno. On the other hand, though, I'm intrigued by the revised GOO Patron. Especially the potential of Psychic Spells.</p><p></p><p>Psychic Spells lets you ignore verbal and somatic components for Warlock Illusion and Enchantment spells. That's a pretty potent upgrade for spells that often benefit from subtlety. Now, unlike a Sorcerer's Subtle Spell it doesn't remove material components. But it's a lot easier to try and discretely manipulate an arcane focus than to claim you're muttering the spell under your breath. Ooooor, you might take Blade Pact, so your pact weapon is an arcane focus. No one expects the warrior grasping their sword hilt to be the source of a spell.</p><p></p><p>Now let's talk about "What is a Warlock spell?" It doesn't specify that it's your Pact Magic spells, and Warlocks don't trade in Spell-Like Abilities in this edition. Any spell granted by the Warlock class is a Warlock spell. So if you get Silent Image or Disguise Self at-will from an invocation, those should be Warlock spells, right? Because I can think of so many shenanigans you could get up to with at-will and always subtle Silent Image.</p><p></p><p>Let's not forget that Psychic Spells also works for Enchantments. And GOO Patron gives you an at-will telepathic bond. So how about a completely hidden Suggestion? No obvious spell cast, no spoken command, just a persuasive idea beamed directly into their head. You know what's also an Enchantment spell? Hex. Now you can sneakily leverage skill contests for your party by slapping disadvantage on the NPCs.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and speaking of the telepathic bond of Awakened Mind, it makes the Gaze of Two Minds invocation a lot more attractive. Riding someone else's senses as a passive observer is limited. Riding their senses when you have two-way telepathic communication is a lot more useful. Slap the combo on the Rogue before they go do some forward scouting. Or invest in Chain Pact and do familiar things, but with more range. Yes, there's a fairly limited time window, but you can't have everything. </p><p></p><p>All in all, on a closer look, I really like what GOO Patron is offering now. It has a lot of potential.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kurotowa, post: 9136142, member: 27957"] Getting away from the numbers argument, I've been looking into the revised subclasses to see what they have to offer. Archfey I'm not entirely sold on. Maybe the teleport gimmick has legs, but I dunno. On the other hand, though, I'm intrigued by the revised GOO Patron. Especially the potential of Psychic Spells. Psychic Spells lets you ignore verbal and somatic components for Warlock Illusion and Enchantment spells. That's a pretty potent upgrade for spells that often benefit from subtlety. Now, unlike a Sorcerer's Subtle Spell it doesn't remove material components. But it's a lot easier to try and discretely manipulate an arcane focus than to claim you're muttering the spell under your breath. Ooooor, you might take Blade Pact, so your pact weapon is an arcane focus. No one expects the warrior grasping their sword hilt to be the source of a spell. Now let's talk about "What is a Warlock spell?" It doesn't specify that it's your Pact Magic spells, and Warlocks don't trade in Spell-Like Abilities in this edition. Any spell granted by the Warlock class is a Warlock spell. So if you get Silent Image or Disguise Self at-will from an invocation, those should be Warlock spells, right? Because I can think of so many shenanigans you could get up to with at-will and always subtle Silent Image. Let's not forget that Psychic Spells also works for Enchantments. And GOO Patron gives you an at-will telepathic bond. So how about a completely hidden Suggestion? No obvious spell cast, no spoken command, just a persuasive idea beamed directly into their head. You know what's also an Enchantment spell? Hex. Now you can sneakily leverage skill contests for your party by slapping disadvantage on the NPCs. Oh, and speaking of the telepathic bond of Awakened Mind, it makes the Gaze of Two Minds invocation a lot more attractive. Riding someone else's senses as a passive observer is limited. Riding their senses when you have two-way telepathic communication is a lot more useful. Slap the combo on the Rogue before they go do some forward scouting. Or invest in Chain Pact and do familiar things, but with more range. Yes, there's a fairly limited time window, but you can't have everything. All in all, on a closer look, I really like what GOO Patron is offering now. It has a lot of potential. [/QUOTE]
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