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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9136356" data-attributes="member: 2525">It most definitely was not. Any fighter built with a longbow in mind is outdamaging any Warlock with EB in mind after just a few levels. Yeesh this is why Treantmonk since 2014 has used a Warlock with EB, Agonizing Blast and Hex as his baseline which every class needs to beat to be considered even mildly decent. Because EB is considered the bare minimum amount of damage to be "Meh, good enough to get by." It's really quite mediocre, compared to any weapon and feats, because of the lack of means to enhance it with magic items and feats and spells and invocations beyond the very small number already in the game.And whatever your complaints might be about Treantmonk, he's right about that basic provable topic. Weapons enhanced by focused things which enhance weapons do more damage (and other things, like control) than EB enhanced by focused things which enhance EB damage (and other things, like control). By quite a lot. And now Warlock just took access to all those weapon sub-systems in the game, AND kept their other stuff, and can do some of those weapon sub-systems even better than the classes built from the ground-up to be focused on weapons!Are you just someone who doesn't play with feats in their game? Or doesn't play fighters? This seems to be the fundamental disconnect you're experiencing in this thread that you don't understand why a cantrip which attacks three times would be meaningfully different than a longbow or greatsword attacking three times, when pretty much anyone who has ever played a fighter most definitely understand just how much better the weapon is than the cantrip once they start focusing choices on weapon damage.</blockquote>

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