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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8809709" data-attributes="member: 18">Yeah and I hope that's intention, but why the hell would this specific bit of text be there if it is?!Like yo what does that even mean expect "if you don't tip big enough the guards will either not let you in, wasting everyone's time, or let you in, but think you're a cheap wanker and give you a hard time". Absolute nightmare. I know [USER=11760]@Whizbang Dustyboots[/USER] thinks it's funny but I can't think of a better way to get a panic attack than screwing up tipping, personally. And I don't normally do panic attacks.How are you going to know that though? The DM can't be expected to be psychic. I guess if you operated with incredibly strong rules on player support and X cards and so on you might learn it, but even I didn't truly realize how alarming that kind of stuff was to me until this conversation. I guess this is perhaps the first time I've seen how an X card would benefit me about something that I genuinely might bump into in a game (normally people center the discussion of them on stuff no DM I know would ever allow, like sexual assault in a game).Not really?That's not really the "prevailing attitude". It never has been. It's just a flip comment/meme that was kind of popular for a while. The reality has always been that people want a variety of heaviness of setting, as evidenced by the fact that, for example, the FR in 3E sold a ton of copies as did supplements (with 2E TSR was so nuts it was hard to tell), but 5E has not really provided that well (is there even a "detailed" setting for 5E? All the big earlier 5E ones I can think of are so broad they're relatively shallow), and at this point, seems to only be providing increasingly lightweight/outright vague settings.So this is an amusing point.The whole tax thing in the US revolution was largely a ruse/propaganda point rather than real issue (this is not a particularly bold statement to anyone who has studied it in depth, I'd suggest). The British actually lowered taxes before the Boston Tea Party, and the people who organised the Tea Party were all smugglers - y'know organised crime - mafiosi, if you will - who sent their hired thugs/goons to cause a scene. They weren't ideologues, despite their later declarations. But as usual a bunch of wealthy criminals managed to trigger a larger social issue, and then rode it to glory and even more wealth. Soz America.(Re: Luskan, aren't they the explicitly racist organised crime city? So yeah them not having a fixed value makes 100% sense. My problem is when supposed "good guys" are rolling similarly to Luskan lol.)The issue with PCs that makes it a little more complicated is that they're not usually members of society in question. So this would be more akin to say, er, the British refusing to pay the taxes Imperial China wanted, or America's gunboat diplomacy against Japan... er... wait... this isn't making adventurers look good... let me get my notes! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But my point is it's more like an "international incident". And the PCs aren't a country, usually. They're hobos. Even the nicest PCs are usually hobos these days. So they're more akin to a non-national group, like, a bunch of pirates. Pirates without a letter of marque. I think a lot of PCs also sort of think, on some unconscious level, that they have diplomatic immunity, too.It's not even like they're trying to stand up for other people. It's just them who they don't want taxed, because they don't live there. They're just passing through - they are not part of society. Unlike The Joker, they do not "live in a society" lol.I think it may be too late at night lol.</blockquote>

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