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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8812670" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Indeed I know that - I worked as a legal researcher for several years.</p><p></p><p>That doesn't mean it's remotely a <em>good thing</em> in most cases. The US almost never uses juries because 97% of cases are plea bargains (not hyperbole, that's an accurate figure last I heard, though I think depending on federal or state court it fluctuates between 95% and 99%). That is also not a good thing (in the UK close to 0% are plea bargains, because they only exist for corporate crimes).</p><p></p><p>I mean, we can't talk politics, but there are countries out there with legal systems that have 98% conviction rates and basically don't allow lawyers. Doesn't mean that's a good thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I was going to point that's probably not what's meant by "justification", because "murder with justification" is akin to a real historical crime and it doesn't usually mean self-defence killings, BUT STOP THE PRESSES because Ed Greenwood himself has answered this question!</p><p></p><p>And we're somewhat BOTH right.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.sageadvice.eu/does-waterdeep-view-a-difference-between-murder-with-justification-and-killing-in-self-defence/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>So you will get punished for a self-defence killing, but it's a really minor punishment. Everyone's a winner baby! 10 days of exile, 20-50gp and maybe an ASBO.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's almost like you didn't read my post where I talked about exactly that.</p><p></p><p>There's no "going rate" even hinted at for Radiant Citadel, indeed it hints at the opposite, that it's entirely flexible! That is literally the <em>entire problem</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's like you've never met an adventurer! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I honestly cannot think of a single D&D character I've ever even seen in a campaign who could honestly be called "civic minded" in a broad sense. I mean, I've only watched a limited amount of Critical Role for example, but absolutely none of them are, and many of them are very much the opposite.</p><p></p><p>(I am mostly joking but it is rare as hen's teeth in D&D adventurers, certainly in my experience, in every actual play I've read, and every podcast and stream of actual play I've seen.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8812670, member: 18"] Indeed I know that - I worked as a legal researcher for several years. That doesn't mean it's remotely a [I]good thing[/I] in most cases. The US almost never uses juries because 97% of cases are plea bargains (not hyperbole, that's an accurate figure last I heard, though I think depending on federal or state court it fluctuates between 95% and 99%). That is also not a good thing (in the UK close to 0% are plea bargains, because they only exist for corporate crimes). I mean, we can't talk politics, but there are countries out there with legal systems that have 98% conviction rates and basically don't allow lawyers. Doesn't mean that's a good thing. I was going to point that's probably not what's meant by "justification", because "murder with justification" is akin to a real historical crime and it doesn't usually mean self-defence killings, BUT STOP THE PRESSES because Ed Greenwood himself has answered this question! And we're somewhat BOTH right. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.sageadvice.eu/does-waterdeep-view-a-difference-between-murder-with-justification-and-killing-in-self-defence/[/URL] So you will get punished for a self-defence killing, but it's a really minor punishment. Everyone's a winner baby! 10 days of exile, 20-50gp and maybe an ASBO. It's almost like you didn't read my post where I talked about exactly that. There's no "going rate" even hinted at for Radiant Citadel, indeed it hints at the opposite, that it's entirely flexible! That is literally the [I]entire problem[/I]. It's like you've never met an adventurer! ;) I honestly cannot think of a single D&D character I've ever even seen in a campaign who could honestly be called "civic minded" in a broad sense. I mean, I've only watched a limited amount of Critical Role for example, but absolutely none of them are, and many of them are very much the opposite. (I am mostly joking but it is rare as hen's teeth in D&D adventurers, certainly in my experience, in every actual play I've read, and every podcast and stream of actual play I've seen.) [/QUOTE]
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