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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Duelpersonality" data-source="post: 4271244" data-attributes="member: 64706">Ah, I see where a lot of confusion on this is coming from.  The sidebar on page 281 has a lot of contradictions to the rules stated elsewhere.  This is the point of exception based design, I suppose, but the question is, "Which rule is the exception?"Part of the sidebar states, "Invisible Creature Uses Stealth: At the end of a concealed creature’s turn..."  Now, does that mean this applies only to invisible creatures, or to any creature with concealment, effectively granting the concealed creature invisibility?Also, the sidebar says, "Make a Perception Check: On your turn, you can make an active Perception check as a minor action..."  When does this apply?  The Perception skill description says that active Perception checks are a standard action.  Is the sidebar referring only to creatures that are invisible, creatures that you can't see (which would seem to make the statement in the Perception skill description pointless), or is one of them correct and the other from an earlier draft of the rules that didn't get updated?Reading the sidebar one way would seem to indicate that it's rules only apply to attacking a creature that cannot be seen by normal means(the creature is invisible, in a totally obscured square, you're blinded).  Reading it another way would seem to indicate that it applies any time a creature has concealment and makes a Stealth check that beats the enemy's passive Perception.  Hrm...</blockquote>

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