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<blockquote data-quote="Duelpersonality" data-source="post: 4271474" data-attributes="member: 64706"><p>Then what qualifies the use of an active Perception check as a standard action as described under the Perception skill on page 186?&nbsp; I understand that there are going to be exceptions, but ruling it that way seems to eliminate the original rule entirely.&nbsp; Also note that Stealth does not just cover hide (though that is part of it) but the old move silently as well.&nbsp; There is a difference (mechanically) between having concealment and having total concealment.&nbsp; No where do the rules state that making a Stealth check grants any kind of concealment, only that a character must have cover or concealment to make a Stealth check at all.&nbsp; The closest thing to this is on page 281, where it says, &quot;A variety of powers and other effects can render you invisible, effectively giving you total concealment.&quot;&nbsp; There is the ambiguous wording in the sidebar, but I would rule that it is only referring to inivisible creatures, not creatures making a Stealth check.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Duelpersonality, post: 4271474, member: 64706"] Then what qualifies the use of an active Perception check as a standard action as described under the Perception skill on page 186? I understand that there are going to be exceptions, but ruling it that way seems to eliminate the original rule entirely. Also note that Stealth does not just cover hide (though that is part of it) but the old move silently as well. There is a difference (mechanically) between having concealment and having total concealment. No where do the rules state that making a Stealth check grants any kind of concealment, only that a character must have cover or concealment to make a Stealth check at all. The closest thing to this is on page 281, where it says, "A variety of powers and other effects can render you invisible, effectively giving you total concealment." There is the ambiguous wording in the sidebar, but I would rule that it is only referring to inivisible creatures, not creatures making a Stealth check. [/QUOTE]

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