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<blockquote data-quote="Benly" data-source="post: 4271665" data-attributes="member: 67591"><p>That's true. Fortunately, most brutes and soldiers have agonizingly low Perception checks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Where in the rules do you get that being attacked by one creature breaks your hiding? Granted, it will let his buddies know what square I'm in, but they'll still be eating the hefty -5 penalty and it won't do them any good once I move or teleport to another location - they'll have to start the finding game over again.</p><p></p><p>But let's assume for the sake of argument that I roll a natural 1, every enemy on the battlefield rolls a natural 20, and I'm entirely spotted. What then?</p><p></p><p>Then I'm in <em>exactly the same position as any other warlock</em> - my actual warlock abilities haven't been impinged upon by this stealth trick because there's very little else those three heroic-tier feats could be doing to improve my abilities as a striker or as a warlock. An ordinary warlock will have been following much the same strategy; since you get the -2 to enemy attacks for moving around anyway, it's silly not to if you have the chance. You seem to think that "all the effort" I'm putting into this is some huge investment of character power, but it's not. It's three heroic-tier feats for the basics: Skill Training, Sneak of Shadows, and Acolyte Power. If you want to be better at it, you can add Skill Focus and a suit of Sylvan armor. You get six heroic-tier feats, and barring high-quality racials there's one that, on its own, makes you a better warlock. Even if you go full-tilt on stealth you still have room for your Improved (Pact Boon) feat and Improved Initiative, Toughness, Ritual Caster or whatever else you feel like.</p><p></p><p>Now, I will grant that it is very likely that I will attract a lot of attention from the controllers and from the higher-Perception artillery. That's not a problem of being a stealthlock, it's a problem of being a striker. Being a stealthlock just means I have a chance of it <em>not</em> happening when I outroll them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Benly, post: 4271665, member: 67591"] That's true. Fortunately, most brutes and soldiers have agonizingly low Perception checks. True. Where in the rules do you get that being attacked by one creature breaks your hiding? Granted, it will let his buddies know what square I'm in, but they'll still be eating the hefty -5 penalty and it won't do them any good once I move or teleport to another location - they'll have to start the finding game over again. But let's assume for the sake of argument that I roll a natural 1, every enemy on the battlefield rolls a natural 20, and I'm entirely spotted. What then? Then I'm in [i]exactly the same position as any other warlock[/i] - my actual warlock abilities haven't been impinged upon by this stealth trick because there's very little else those three heroic-tier feats could be doing to improve my abilities as a striker or as a warlock. An ordinary warlock will have been following much the same strategy; since you get the -2 to enemy attacks for moving around anyway, it's silly not to if you have the chance. You seem to think that "all the effort" I'm putting into this is some huge investment of character power, but it's not. It's three heroic-tier feats for the basics: Skill Training, Sneak of Shadows, and Acolyte Power. If you want to be better at it, you can add Skill Focus and a suit of Sylvan armor. You get six heroic-tier feats, and barring high-quality racials there's one that, on its own, makes you a better warlock. Even if you go full-tilt on stealth you still have room for your Improved (Pact Boon) feat and Improved Initiative, Toughness, Ritual Caster or whatever else you feel like. Now, I will grant that it is very likely that I will attract a lot of attention from the controllers and from the higher-Perception artillery. That's not a problem of being a stealthlock, it's a problem of being a striker. Being a stealthlock just means I have a chance of it [i]not[/i] happening when I outroll them. [/QUOTE]
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