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<blockquote data-quote="Shardstone" data-source="post: 9255716" data-attributes="member: 6807784">In Elden Ring, this giant turtle pope says what I found to be a very interesting line in regards to fantasy as a whole, &quot;Heresy is just a contrivance.&quot; In the context of Elden Ring, magic derived from Faith (Incantations) and magic derived from Intellect (Sorcery) are thought to be different things by the factions and powers that be. But Turtle Pope reveals that both forms of magic are in fact the same thing, speaking to a much larger theme of how mankind creates religions around things they don't understand, and how faith itself can often push people to do wild and amazing things (and horrible things too).Applying that lens to D&amp;D gets something I think approximates what you're talking about [USER=63508]@Minigiant[/USER]. I like the idea of the Psion as the Cleric for a pantheon of Great Old Ones; maybe a Sorcerer (D&amp;D definition) is the cleric of Mystra and other deities of magic. Likewise, if we push the idea to its extreme, mortal heroes that can fall 200 feet and survive or wade through lava (martials) could be seen as &quot;clerics&quot; of deities of war, battle, victory, and so on.In the game, we can already see this is the case for classes like the druid and ranger (cleric/paladin of nature) and even the bard (cleric of muses?). We could probably take racial pantheons or specific factions of greater powers and deconstruct classes from them. Beast-related pantheons/deities could make MCDM's &quot;Wild Heart&quot; class their &quot;paladin;&quot; likewise, the 9 Hells literally treat MCDM's &quot;Illrigger&quot; class as their paladin. But if you take the idea to its true extreme, you essentially get back to Elden Ring -- cosmic forces work their way through people and thus all fantastical powers are born into the world. War deities disguised as master-of-arms training fighters to become god-like combatants, deities of writing or civilization or music creating stories for bards to inherit and weave magic from, etc etc. IMO, that's the kind of remix on a &quot;classic&quot; Fantasy world I really like.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shardstone, post: 9255716, member: 6807784"] In Elden Ring, this giant turtle pope says what I found to be a very interesting line in regards to fantasy as a whole, "Heresy is just a contrivance." In the context of Elden Ring, magic derived from Faith (Incantations) and magic derived from Intellect (Sorcery) are thought to be different things by the factions and powers that be. But Turtle Pope reveals that both forms of magic are in fact the same thing, speaking to a much larger theme of how mankind creates religions around things they don't understand, and how faith itself can often push people to do wild and amazing things (and horrible things too). Applying that lens to D&D gets something I think approximates what you're talking about [USER=63508]@Minigiant[/USER]. I like the idea of the Psion as the Cleric for a pantheon of Great Old Ones; maybe a Sorcerer (D&D definition) is the cleric of Mystra and other deities of magic. Likewise, if we push the idea to its extreme, mortal heroes that can fall 200 feet and survive or wade through lava (martials) could be seen as "clerics" of deities of war, battle, victory, and so on. In the game, we can already see this is the case for classes like the druid and ranger (cleric/paladin of nature) and even the bard (cleric of muses?). We could probably take racial pantheons or specific factions of greater powers and deconstruct classes from them. Beast-related pantheons/deities could make MCDM's "Wild Heart" class their "paladin;" likewise, the 9 Hells literally treat MCDM's "Illrigger" class as their paladin. But if you take the idea to its true extreme, you essentially get back to Elden Ring -- cosmic forces work their way through people and thus all fantastical powers are born into the world. War deities disguised as master-of-arms training fighters to become god-like combatants, deities of writing or civilization or music creating stories for bards to inherit and weave magic from, etc etc. IMO, that's the kind of remix on a "classic" Fantasy world I really like. [/QUOTE]

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