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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8870015" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>I think you are looking at it from the wrong angle. You are looking at 1.1 as a separate thing on its own and under 1.1 terms and what is licensed out directly under the 1.1 OGL. </p><p></p><p>I am talking about someone with 1.0 Section 9 rights looking to use 1.1 OGC under 1.0 terms under the 1.0 OGL and not under the separate revised 1.1 OGL at all.</p><p></p><p>1.0 OGL is a license WotC made that gives licensees a Section 9 right to use certain other material under certain conditions (authorized versions of the OGL, OGC, etc).</p><p></p><p>The question is then not whether 1.1 gives rights under its own terms, it is a question of whether under the 1.0 rights that WotC licensed out the 1.0 licensee can use OGC from 1.1.</p><p></p><p>If a court finds Section 9 of 1.0 ambiguous as applied to the question of 1.1 OGC I think they could find evidence of WotC's announced declarations of intent as relevant for considering whether 1.1 is a version of the OGL under Section 9 of the 1.0 OGL.</p><p></p><p>I am not arguing it would be determinative. For instance if the announced 1.1 turns out to change direction from what was announced and be clearly a non OGL thing at all the announcement of intent that we have now would not be that persuasive as evidence that the new license that got issued was actually a revised version of the OGL subject to Section 9 of the 1.0 OGL.</p><p></p><p>I would expect a court to look at the exact terms of the licenses first to see whether 1.1 is a revision of the OGL under the 1.0 OGL Section 9, but a court will also look at other indicators of intent if a provision is considered ambiguous and WotC's public declarations on the subject (both here and in the past) could be relevant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8870015, member: 2209"] I think you are looking at it from the wrong angle. You are looking at 1.1 as a separate thing on its own and under 1.1 terms and what is licensed out directly under the 1.1 OGL. I am talking about someone with 1.0 Section 9 rights looking to use 1.1 OGC under 1.0 terms under the 1.0 OGL and not under the separate revised 1.1 OGL at all. 1.0 OGL is a license WotC made that gives licensees a Section 9 right to use certain other material under certain conditions (authorized versions of the OGL, OGC, etc). The question is then not whether 1.1 gives rights under its own terms, it is a question of whether under the 1.0 rights that WotC licensed out the 1.0 licensee can use OGC from 1.1. If a court finds Section 9 of 1.0 ambiguous as applied to the question of 1.1 OGC I think they could find evidence of WotC's announced declarations of intent as relevant for considering whether 1.1 is a version of the OGL under Section 9 of the 1.0 OGL. I am not arguing it would be determinative. For instance if the announced 1.1 turns out to change direction from what was announced and be clearly a non OGL thing at all the announcement of intent that we have now would not be that persuasive as evidence that the new license that got issued was actually a revised version of the OGL subject to Section 9 of the 1.0 OGL. I would expect a court to look at the exact terms of the licenses first to see whether 1.1 is a revision of the OGL under the 1.0 OGL Section 9, but a court will also look at other indicators of intent if a provision is considered ambiguous and WotC's public declarations on the subject (both here and in the past) could be relevant. [/QUOTE]
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