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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 8880586" data-attributes="member: 8461">Unless you can actually cite numbers with regard to those venues, that's pointless speculation. They might support what you're saying, or they might not.None of whom are actually presenting facts, just supposition without any verification. For that matter, there's an underlying reframing of the argument going on; 4E might have outsold Pathfinder in lifetime sales, but none of the tweets you presented say that Pathfinder never outsold 4E. Three of them say that "4E did financially fine," and one makes an assertion about what looks like lifetime sales.In other words, you're presenting support for an entirely different argument. That's called strawmanning.Except we do have data to say that it beat out 4E; that data is from ICv2. Pointing out that there's additional venues that aren't being taken into account doesn't change that. Pointing out that might change if you look at lifetime sales vs. sales for specific quarters doesn't change that. Saying that 4E did "financially fine" doesn't change that.You're essentially arguing that there's no metric by which Pathfinder outperformed 4E, and we have factual data proving you wrong.</blockquote>