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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 5367991" data-attributes="member: 10177">OP I totally agree, it is why I became such a HUGE fan of Castles and Crusades, enough of the "new" game design sensibilities while also giving me a great universal type mechanic to be able to set my favorite rules ideas upon, no matter which edition it is I am taking it from.So I have the simple rules design that make it much easier for me to run games, while giving me the exact amount of rules diversity I can happily handle and have my players happy with the diverse amount of actions their characters can take. All without a ton of precise rules that bog the game down, especially if you have rules lawyers. Fortunately I don't have any rules lawyers, all my players are interested in is consistency, and that is all they do, is help me be consistent.So while I love and buy waaaay too much of the Pathfinder stuff, and can admire the good parts of 4E, the bottom line is they still don't give me the right level of rules complexity, so thanks to the OSR movement and alternatives to the 3E rules set, like C&C, for the first time in over 25 years of gaming I have a RPG perfectly tailor built to my precise tastes, and I have plenty of players willing to play in my games. So my last 5 years have been my gaming Nirvanna of my entire life, all directly as a result of 3E, the OGL, and then the decisions the GSL made others do, such as creating Pathfinder.Plus now I have great new versions of the old games, which I am very happy with because as Mythmere says above, these new versions are very cleaned up, much better presented and organized, and in brand new condition for me to wear out all over again in the coming decades. Plus I even like most of the changes that were done in the newer OSR version, such as Swords and Wizardry and Dark Dungeons.Also definitely give the Basic Fantasy RPG a look as well, it is very similar to Castles and Crusades in that it essentially brings the core 3E sensibilities to the old school games. Yet it is much more in line with them as well, so I found it to not be quit as "universal" as C&C is, nor does it run as simply because it does not have a central unifying mechanic behind it all either. Not as strongly as it is in C&C, at least.So yes, liberate yourself, explore it all, try it all, and I think you will find it very invigorating. I certainly have.</blockquote>

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