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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7927641" data-attributes="member: 82504">A few more detailsChainmail has 2 hero ranks calling them Hero (4x) and Superhero (8x) , my calculation sets this as levels 13 and 17th respectively in 4e D&amp;D.&nbsp; This is based on the ability of the characters to handle large amounts of relatively normal troops rather than their ability to tackle individual big bads.As a more single character focused game and because Gygax wanted a sense of progression D&amp;D has many more gradients of capability and if you begin the game from level one which is basically slightly better than 1 normal heavy soldier so that is significant amounts of progression towards reaching the status of those figures in Chainmail.However in spite of the general difference D&amp;D does have a mechanic that creates a very similar context for comparison it's generally called a swarm ( they could have called it something less pestilence sounding considering you can for instance in 4e anyway have a swarm of hyenas&nbsp; or orcs or zombies or an angry mob of humans). A basic example would be peasants in an angry mob (an appropriate sized swarm) which is monster level 5 in 4e would be a match for but could be quelled by 1 level 1 character but it would be dangerous and they might be crushed under it before forcing it to disband if it came to violence.&nbsp; That said a better example swarm in 4th edition and an sample of a what might be largish squad/small platoon of Orcs is called Blood Savage Throng&nbsp; a level 9 swarm its individual components which might be average monster level 3 (and basically the same as heavy soldier ),Based on the games encounter guidelines against the Orc Platoon these a single hero could fight 4 throngs at 13th and 8 throngs at 17th level give or take and variable including how much the player optimised and so on)Basically the Hero and Superhero are the 4e low and high Paragon Tier characters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7927641, member: 82504"] A few more details Chainmail has 2 hero ranks calling them Hero (4x) and Superhero (8x) , my calculation sets this as levels 13 and 17th respectively in 4e D&D. This is based on the ability of the characters to handle large amounts of relatively normal troops rather than their ability to tackle individual big bads. As a more single character focused game and because Gygax wanted a sense of progression D&D has many more gradients of capability and if you begin the game from level one which is basically slightly better than 1 normal heavy soldier so that is significant amounts of progression towards reaching the status of those figures in Chainmail. However in spite of the general difference D&D does have a mechanic that creates a very similar context for comparison it's generally called a swarm ( they could have called it something less pestilence sounding considering you can for instance in 4e anyway have a swarm of hyenas or orcs or zombies or an angry mob of humans). A basic example would be peasants in an angry mob (an appropriate sized swarm) which is monster level 5 in 4e would be a match for but could be quelled by 1 level 1 character but it would be dangerous and they might be crushed under it before forcing it to disband if it came to violence. That said a better example swarm in 4th edition and an sample of a what might be largish squad/small platoon of Orcs is called Blood Savage Throng a level 9 swarm its individual components which might be average monster level 3 (and basically the same as heavy soldier ), Based on the games encounter guidelines against the Orc Platoon these a single hero could fight 4 throngs at 13th and 8 throngs at 17th level give or take and variable including how much the player optimised and so on) Basically the Hero and Superhero are the 4e low and high Paragon Tier characters. [/QUOTE]

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