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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 7933743" data-attributes="member: 57383">It only came into play a few times in my games when the PCs were facing a horde of goblins or the like, but it was rarely a fight that really mattered or that the party had any serious chance of losing. By that time their ACs were high enough a standard AD&D goblin had little chance of hitting them. The only occasion of significance I can recall is when one of the PCs decided to attack a watch barracks (don't ask!).Yes, their decision to flatten out the maths definitely makes the progression of levels feel less significant. I would prefer it if being 8th level felt a lot more significant than it currently does compared to being, say, 4th level. Being worried by the same weaker foes but in somewhat larger numbers doesn't jive well with many previous editions.Unfortunately this leads to high-level characters and creatures feeling a lot less, well, "epic" when you compare them in battle to low-level peons or mid-level threats.  I wonder how many, say, <a href="https://dnd5e.info/appendices/appendix-mm-b-nonplayer-characters/gladiator/" target="_blank">Gladiators</a> or <a href="https://dnd5e.info/appendices/appendix-mm-b-nonplayer-characters/guard/" target="_blank">Guards</a> it would take to have a 50-50 chance of beating a <a href="https://dnd5e.info/monsters/monster/kraken/" target="_blank">Kraken</a> in 5E? A creature which, remember has a Challenge of 23, which is way higher than the CR 12 of a 3E <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/kraken.htm" target="_blank">Kraken</a>. There doesn't seem to be a close correlation between Challenge/Level/CRs of monsters between editions in the more recent versions of D&D.To my mind an 8th level martial character should not be considered equivalent to some elite town guard or SEAL team member (who ought to be 4th level or so at most - i.e. "hero-level") but to Conan or Rambo. They are larger than life figures who can slay giant carnivorous snakes or killer apes while nearly naked and armed only with a dagger!</blockquote>

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