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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7933761" data-attributes="member: 82504">Yeah you nailed the thing on top of that it wasnt practical for game play convenience to do really high numbers either.I think by 5th level things feels pretty good as a starting point while it might still be improved its good however the sense of advancement just isn't there. I agree...  they should while the level numbers are slightly higher in 4e  that edition did cling much tighter to original script in this regards hence 5e lacks some larger than life feel expresses it exactly (thanks) that is what I am missing it has some flavor of it around the edges sure but doesn't seem like it delivers.   3e also had enough from what I hear that at least optimized martial builds might.</blockquote>