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<blockquote data-quote="Grognerd" data-source="post: 7500762" data-attributes="member: 6968425"><p>I get what you are saying, but I don't know that there isn't a little rose-coloring going on here. While much of what you said is true, stats had quite an impact on 1e...</p><p></p><p>Magic-Users (take that "Wizards"!) DID rely on their INT to get higher level spells. It also added to their chance to learn spells and their XP modifiers. Same for WIS and Clerics.</p><p>Fighter's STR made major impacts on their abilities, and at lower levels were just as vital then as they are now. My 18/91 dwarven fighter (that was a good day for character creation!) typically played as a level or two higher just because of the impact of his stat. Not to mention - still on dwarves - the Saving Throw modifiers were based on CON (what was it... +1 / 3.5 CON, IIRC?).</p><p></p><p>Now I'm not saying that ASI's are good things (though I do like them), but I don't think that the argument that 5e is more state dominant than 1e is necessarily entirely accurate.</p><p></p><p>Interestingly, though, the other day I random rolled my stats for a 5e character for the first time and ended up with an 18 and 16 (20 and 18 when modified by [mountain dwarf] race), so I might could get back onboard with random chargen!</p><p></p><p>DISCLAIMER: I love Paladins, so Lowkey13 may not want to listen to me anyway. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grognerd, post: 7500762, member: 6968425"] I get what you are saying, but I don't know that there isn't a little rose-coloring going on here. While much of what you said is true, stats had quite an impact on 1e... Magic-Users (take that "Wizards"!) DID rely on their INT to get higher level spells. It also added to their chance to learn spells and their XP modifiers. Same for WIS and Clerics. Fighter's STR made major impacts on their abilities, and at lower levels were just as vital then as they are now. My 18/91 dwarven fighter (that was a good day for character creation!) typically played as a level or two higher just because of the impact of his stat. Not to mention - still on dwarves - the Saving Throw modifiers were based on CON (what was it... +1 / 3.5 CON, IIRC?). Now I'm not saying that ASI's are good things (though I do like them), but I don't think that the argument that 5e is more state dominant than 1e is necessarily entirely accurate. Interestingly, though, the other day I random rolled my stats for a 5e character for the first time and ended up with an 18 and 16 (20 and 18 when modified by [mountain dwarf] race), so I might could get back onboard with random chargen! DISCLAIMER: I love Paladins, so Lowkey13 may not want to listen to me anyway. ;) [/QUOTE]
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