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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The-Magic-Sword" data-source="post: 8351099" data-attributes="member: 6801252">So, the thing is that the OSR isn't a singular thing, its a bunch of elements that don't need to be together but are in that particular aesthetic movement. So for a point of comparison I use adventure and dungeon design stuff from OSR in PF2e, and I prefer it in PF2e than I would in OSR games-- but thats still an element of OSR games, so it feels weird to call them opposites. Aesthetic movements riff on each other so the opposite would simply have to be every setting, set to the opposite, which PF2e very much is not. For me, Pathfinder 2e is actually fairly close to the OSR, or at least some versions of it, in the ways that the OSR appeals to me.______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________But obviously, I'd have to argue that Baseball is probably pretty close to the opposite of the OSR, low lethality, directly competitive instead of indirectly so, there's strict procedures that govern what the players are allowed to do (e.g. when the pitcher is allowed to throw at the batter, and where they're allowed to throw) as opposed to Gygaxian skilled play, it has rules not rulings, sudden combat is a pretty universally accepted part of the game rather than a fail state, it makes a large amount of money, and it has players of color.(the last thing was a joke about the OSR's reputation, there's nothing about the style of play that rejects inclusivity, only some bad people who tried to make it their haven, please don't take it seriously.)OTOH, both Baseball and the OSR have a surprising number of cults.________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Ok so obviously the baseball thing was a joke, but now that I think about it... in some ways the OSR is like someone looked at old baseball rules and decided to go back to it, where a spitball is considered part of a player's skill.</blockquote>

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