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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 3328230" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>Big difference evil does not have any respect for life. They will take it without remorse and to suit their needs. By the paladin respecting an evil creatures right to life he is allowing this creature the ability to kill other innocent creatures. </p><p></p><p>Who has more right to live the evil creature or the innocent who has never done any wrong?</p><p></p><p>The paladin has a chance to think this over because they are not a threat yet. But they will be if he does nothing. So he has to make some kind of decision. Now the DM has said these creatures are evil because they have already done evil acts and will do them again. In this case the duty of the paladin seem pretty clear. There is a part of the code that says must protect innocents.</p><p></p><p>I see nothing wrong with the paladin slaying these creatures for the greater good. I also don't see anything wrong if the paladin has a less lethal way of handling the situation. </p><p></p><p>Let me tell you about the quick and easy path. Sometimes it is stupid not to take the quick and easy path.</p><p></p><p>I played a paladin in Forgotten Realma game with a DM who thought like you do. </p><p></p><p>We chased some evil drow clerics into the woods for over seven days after they had kidnapped some elven children. They were to be used in an ancient ritual to unleash a horrible plague onto the land and throw the world into darkness. </p><p></p><p>We caught up to them right before they killed the last child. We battled and killed all but the high priestess who surrendered. In the battle tow of our party were slain. I wanted to kill the last drow right then and there but the DM told be that I would be violating my code. So we tied the cleric up gagged her and off we went back on the seven day journey.</p><p></p><p>Now since there was only two of us left we had to take watches alone while the other slept. On day three she got lose and killed the other PC on watch she then grabbed the child and ran I went after her but she had a head start. I could hear her chanting something as she ran. She threw herself and the child off a cliff thus finishing the ritual and unleashing hell.</p><p></p><p>Even to this day this makes me mad that my lawful good paladin hands were tied in such a stupid way as to allow the destuction of the world.</p><p></p><p>There are times that a paladin has to do the quick and the dirty and there are times when he has more choice. </p><p></p><p>I think a good dM leaves the choice up to the player it is usually kind of obvious what path to take.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 3328230, member: 9037"] Big difference evil does not have any respect for life. They will take it without remorse and to suit their needs. By the paladin respecting an evil creatures right to life he is allowing this creature the ability to kill other innocent creatures. Who has more right to live the evil creature or the innocent who has never done any wrong? The paladin has a chance to think this over because they are not a threat yet. But they will be if he does nothing. So he has to make some kind of decision. Now the DM has said these creatures are evil because they have already done evil acts and will do them again. In this case the duty of the paladin seem pretty clear. There is a part of the code that says must protect innocents. I see nothing wrong with the paladin slaying these creatures for the greater good. I also don't see anything wrong if the paladin has a less lethal way of handling the situation. Let me tell you about the quick and easy path. Sometimes it is stupid not to take the quick and easy path. I played a paladin in Forgotten Realma game with a DM who thought like you do. We chased some evil drow clerics into the woods for over seven days after they had kidnapped some elven children. They were to be used in an ancient ritual to unleash a horrible plague onto the land and throw the world into darkness. We caught up to them right before they killed the last child. We battled and killed all but the high priestess who surrendered. In the battle tow of our party were slain. I wanted to kill the last drow right then and there but the DM told be that I would be violating my code. So we tied the cleric up gagged her and off we went back on the seven day journey. Now since there was only two of us left we had to take watches alone while the other slept. On day three she got lose and killed the other PC on watch she then grabbed the child and ran I went after her but she had a head start. I could hear her chanting something as she ran. She threw herself and the child off a cliff thus finishing the ritual and unleashing hell. Even to this day this makes me mad that my lawful good paladin hands were tied in such a stupid way as to allow the destuction of the world. There are times that a paladin has to do the quick and the dirty and there are times when he has more choice. I think a good dM leaves the choice up to the player it is usually kind of obvious what path to take. [/QUOTE]
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