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<blockquote data-quote="gribble" data-source="post: 3330660" data-attributes="member: 12430"><p>Very true. Still doesn't solve the problem that the term "evil creatures" isn't defined anywhere that I've found. In fact, it seems pretty clear from the description of the holy weapon special property (where it specifically calls out different effects for "all of evil alignment" and "evil creatures") that it isn't just "creatures with an evil alignment".</p><p></p><p>Of course, one could assume "evil creatures" is used as a seperate term to include "all of evil alignment" and "creatures with the [Evil] descriptor", but that seems redundant as the only effect of the [Evil] descriptor is to treat the creature as if they had an evil alignment...</p><p></p><p>The only solution that makes any sense to me is to assume the detect evil spell is incorrect, and rather than "evil creatures" it should read "creatures with an evil alignment", and that "evil creatures" refers to anything that detects as evil.</p><p>Or perhaps "evil creatures" refers to only creatures with the [Evil] subtype (assuming there are/can be some which are not evil outsiders)? But then merely evil aligned creatures wouldn't detect as evil at all, unless they were also clerics/undead/outsiders/creatures with the [Evil] subtype...</p><p></p><p>Outside of the rules, it just doesn't make logical sense that creatures detected by Detect <strong>Evil</strong> != creatures affected by Smite <strong>Evil</strong>. I mean, if something detects as evil, that means it is evil, right (even if not of the evil alignment... the spell isn't called "Detect Evil Alignment", it's called "Detect <strong>Evil</strong>")?</p><p></p><p>Unless you can think of another way of explaning it?</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gribble, post: 3330660, member: 12430"] Very true. Still doesn't solve the problem that the term "evil creatures" isn't defined anywhere that I've found. In fact, it seems pretty clear from the description of the holy weapon special property (where it specifically calls out different effects for "all of evil alignment" and "evil creatures") that it isn't just "creatures with an evil alignment". Of course, one could assume "evil creatures" is used as a seperate term to include "all of evil alignment" and "creatures with the [Evil] descriptor", but that seems redundant as the only effect of the [Evil] descriptor is to treat the creature as if they had an evil alignment... The only solution that makes any sense to me is to assume the detect evil spell is incorrect, and rather than "evil creatures" it should read "creatures with an evil alignment", and that "evil creatures" refers to anything that detects as evil. Or perhaps "evil creatures" refers to only creatures with the [Evil] subtype (assuming there are/can be some which are not evil outsiders)? But then merely evil aligned creatures wouldn't detect as evil at all, unless they were also clerics/undead/outsiders/creatures with the [Evil] subtype... Outside of the rules, it just doesn't make logical sense that creatures detected by Detect [B]Evil[/B] != creatures affected by Smite [B]Evil[/B]. I mean, if something detects as evil, that means it is evil, right (even if not of the evil alignment... the spell isn't called "Detect Evil Alignment", it's called "Detect [B]Evil[/B]")? Unless you can think of another way of explaning it? :confused: [/QUOTE]
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