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<blockquote data-quote="MNblockhead" data-source="post: 7591611" data-attributes="member: 6796661"><p><strong>WARNING SPOILERS </strong>- Shouldn't have to state it on this thread (I don't read it until I've seen the newest episode) but since I'm un-commenting parts of a spoiler commented block, I figure I should give a warning up front. </p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>That was a major theme of the episode and this was used as an intro and the conclusion. Not sure how much more they should have done. I think the balance is about right. It is easy to seem a bit ham-fisted about these things. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I did initially, but we see this even in earth history. Things that were taken deadly as part of religious dogma become children's stories and stories for kids become cultural touch stones. I've certainly found things meaningful and interesting in Chinese culture that many of Chinese friends roll their eyes at. It is difficult to predict how someone on earth today will react to art, music, or literature from another contemporary earth culture. How much moreso intelligent life removed by centuries and light years?</p><p></p><p>Besides, I'm a big Dolly Parton fan. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I like how this makes the unique members of the crew and especially the unique walk-on visitors feel more part of the story and universe rather than a random alien-looking creature thrown in to drive home that this is a sci-fi show. </p><p></p><p>The one thing that bothers me is how so many species in the universe seem to evolved with hominid-like bodies, to breath the same air (or air at all), etc. I realize that there are budget reasons for this and all we can do is give a few nods to this, but when you see everyone sitting in a UN assembly style hall, it beggars belief. I choose to believe that all those attendees are not their physically. Instead they are hologram projections. And advanced form of telepresence technology.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, advanced technology can make this work, unfortunately. Certainly there have been serious moves in Earth history to apply this to race--an example of using new sciences to support unscientific beliefs. </p><p></p><p>There have been similar calls for making mankind single gender, though it is from people currently far-out-of-the-mainstream. If anything our mainstream is moving away from enforcing the concept of two genders and we will eventually have a planet where some cultures enforcement of two gender roles will look like how the Moclans are portrayed in the Orville. Most calls for a single-gender humanity that I've seen were for a woman-only society. The most well known is the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto" target="_blank">S.C.U.M Manifesto</a> by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas" target="_blank">Valerie Solanas</a>, most famous for her attempted murder of Andy Warhol. </p><p></p><p>Our technology has advanced to the point predicted by Solanas and the society she envisioned is theoretically possible. </p><p></p><p>It is difficult to believe that such theories would ever gain sufficient political support to actually effectuate a single-gender humanity, but we don't know what the history of Moclan is. On earth, today, the treatment of women varies greatly from culture to culture. In China, the One Child Policy, which sought to address population pressures led to the abortion and infanticide, and abandonment of many girls. Both China and India are today struggling with a gender unbalance, creating what some call a crisis of masculinity. If relatively small unbalances cause big societal issue, what if there was something in Moclan culture, perhaps some biological factor in addition to cultural factors that created huge imbalances. </p><p></p><p>I suspect that Seth McFarlane is aware of some of this and that it influenced how he envisions Moclus and Moclan culture. </p><p></p><p>Of course, I'm glossing over the "men" hatching eggs. Where do the eggs come from? It would have been more believable for the Moclans to have eschewed sexual reproduction for cloning. </p><p></p><p>The Sontarans from Doctor Who seem like a more believable version of what Moclans would be like (at least as the Sontaran origins are explained in the Doctor Who RPG by FASA).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MNblockhead, post: 7591611, member: 6796661"] [B]WARNING SPOILERS [/B]- Shouldn't have to state it on this thread (I don't read it until I've seen the newest episode) but since I'm un-commenting parts of a spoiler commented block, I figure I should give a warning up front. That was a major theme of the episode and this was used as an intro and the conclusion. Not sure how much more they should have done. I think the balance is about right. It is easy to seem a bit ham-fisted about these things. I did initially, but we see this even in earth history. Things that were taken deadly as part of religious dogma become children's stories and stories for kids become cultural touch stones. I've certainly found things meaningful and interesting in Chinese culture that many of Chinese friends roll their eyes at. It is difficult to predict how someone on earth today will react to art, music, or literature from another contemporary earth culture. How much moreso intelligent life removed by centuries and light years? Besides, I'm a big Dolly Parton fan. :-) Yes, I like how this makes the unique members of the crew and especially the unique walk-on visitors feel more part of the story and universe rather than a random alien-looking creature thrown in to drive home that this is a sci-fi show. The one thing that bothers me is how so many species in the universe seem to evolved with hominid-like bodies, to breath the same air (or air at all), etc. I realize that there are budget reasons for this and all we can do is give a few nods to this, but when you see everyone sitting in a UN assembly style hall, it beggars belief. I choose to believe that all those attendees are not their physically. Instead they are hologram projections. And advanced form of telepresence technology. Well, advanced technology can make this work, unfortunately. Certainly there have been serious moves in Earth history to apply this to race--an example of using new sciences to support unscientific beliefs. There have been similar calls for making mankind single gender, though it is from people currently far-out-of-the-mainstream. If anything our mainstream is moving away from enforcing the concept of two genders and we will eventually have a planet where some cultures enforcement of two gender roles will look like how the Moclans are portrayed in the Orville. Most calls for a single-gender humanity that I've seen were for a woman-only society. The most well known is the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto"]S.C.U.M Manifesto[/URL] by [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas"]Valerie Solanas[/URL], most famous for her attempted murder of Andy Warhol. Our technology has advanced to the point predicted by Solanas and the society she envisioned is theoretically possible. It is difficult to believe that such theories would ever gain sufficient political support to actually effectuate a single-gender humanity, but we don't know what the history of Moclan is. On earth, today, the treatment of women varies greatly from culture to culture. In China, the One Child Policy, which sought to address population pressures led to the abortion and infanticide, and abandonment of many girls. Both China and India are today struggling with a gender unbalance, creating what some call a crisis of masculinity. If relatively small unbalances cause big societal issue, what if there was something in Moclan culture, perhaps some biological factor in addition to cultural factors that created huge imbalances. I suspect that Seth McFarlane is aware of some of this and that it influenced how he envisions Moclus and Moclan culture. Of course, I'm glossing over the "men" hatching eggs. Where do the eggs come from? It would have been more believable for the Moclans to have eschewed sexual reproduction for cloning. The Sontarans from Doctor Who seem like a more believable version of what Moclans would be like (at least as the Sontaran origins are explained in the Doctor Who RPG by FASA). [/QUOTE]
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