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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2709053" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>I'm not saying it does, but as a god of war, he is going to be a bit more tolerant of violent solutions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>and</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>and</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm even older school.</p><p></p><p>A person who invaded a home at night to commit a crime was one of the lowest of the low and a great danger to society and civilization. According to laws going back centuries- predating even the feudal era- they were considered without honor, and, in most civilizations, the homeowner could kill them without worrying about consequences. Indeed, the phrase "A man's home is his castle" can be found in cases going back to the 1500's as an example of settled law- used in a way to indicate that within the boundaries of his home, a man was entitled to the much same kind of deference as a king. While he could not do the blatantly illegal, he WAS free to mete out punishment within the bounds of the law- including killing intruders.</p><p></p><p>Instead of killing the night-stalker immediately (as entitled to by law), he gave the guy a chance to redeem himself by talking. He didn't. An unrepentant home invader would be percieved to be as evil as any Ghoul or Orc by a person of that era's mindset. Or, to put it in game terms- to a follower of Heiroeous, he would be the antithesis of everything that PC stands for: <strong><em> without honor, without chivalry, without valor...and only entitled to swift justice.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>And as for modern standards, I suggest you check your local criminal code- home intruders are still a justified target for use of lethal force (details vary- you may have to prove you had no way to retreat from them), and the use of lethal force against kidnappers (in the defense of a kidnap victim) is also justifiable- and a co-conspirator is as guilty of the crime as the one who actually comitted it (that is how getaway car drivers wind up serving 50 years for felony murders). Home intruders who strike at night often find that entering in the PM hours is an aggravating condition that can add as much as 10 years to the time they will actually serve if caught (even accounting for parole)- the fact that the homeowner is more likely to be at home at night has historically been and still is considered to make a crime at a home at night more worthy of punishment than an equivalent crime at high noon.</p><p></p><p>I do agree, however, that you are all correct in that if he didn't try to ascertain coersion or a similar mitigating factor, there <em>might</em> be problems with his vow- depending on his deity.</p><p></p><p>Sir John Chandos, founder of the Order of the Garter, was one of the greatest knights to ever live, both in terms of skill at arms and as an exemplar of chivalry- as close to a Paladin as any historical figure you can point to (Jean D'Arc is thought by some to be fictional). Of him it was said "God have mercy on his soul, for never in a hundred years was there in England a man more courteous, neither more full of every virtue and good quality than he."</p><p></p><p>And yet, as is pointed out elsewhere:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Even this "Paladin" was elitist and a law unto himself, answerable only to his superiors and peers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2709053, member: 19675"] I'm not saying it does, but as a god of war, he is going to be a bit more tolerant of violent solutions. and and I'm even older school. A person who invaded a home at night to commit a crime was one of the lowest of the low and a great danger to society and civilization. According to laws going back centuries- predating even the feudal era- they were considered without honor, and, in most civilizations, the homeowner could kill them without worrying about consequences. Indeed, the phrase "A man's home is his castle" can be found in cases going back to the 1500's as an example of settled law- used in a way to indicate that within the boundaries of his home, a man was entitled to the much same kind of deference as a king. While he could not do the blatantly illegal, he WAS free to mete out punishment within the bounds of the law- including killing intruders. Instead of killing the night-stalker immediately (as entitled to by law), he gave the guy a chance to redeem himself by talking. He didn't. An unrepentant home invader would be percieved to be as evil as any Ghoul or Orc by a person of that era's mindset. Or, to put it in game terms- to a follower of Heiroeous, he would be the antithesis of everything that PC stands for: [B][I] without honor, without chivalry, without valor...and only entitled to swift justice.[/I][/B] And as for modern standards, I suggest you check your local criminal code- home intruders are still a justified target for use of lethal force (details vary- you may have to prove you had no way to retreat from them), and the use of lethal force against kidnappers (in the defense of a kidnap victim) is also justifiable- and a co-conspirator is as guilty of the crime as the one who actually comitted it (that is how getaway car drivers wind up serving 50 years for felony murders). Home intruders who strike at night often find that entering in the PM hours is an aggravating condition that can add as much as 10 years to the time they will actually serve if caught (even accounting for parole)- the fact that the homeowner is more likely to be at home at night has historically been and still is considered to make a crime at a home at night more worthy of punishment than an equivalent crime at high noon. I do agree, however, that you are all correct in that if he didn't try to ascertain coersion or a similar mitigating factor, there [I]might[/I] be problems with his vow- depending on his deity. Sir John Chandos, founder of the Order of the Garter, was one of the greatest knights to ever live, both in terms of skill at arms and as an exemplar of chivalry- as close to a Paladin as any historical figure you can point to (Jean D'Arc is thought by some to be fictional). Of him it was said "God have mercy on his soul, for never in a hundred years was there in England a man more courteous, neither more full of every virtue and good quality than he." And yet, as is pointed out elsewhere: Even this "Paladin" was elitist and a law unto himself, answerable only to his superiors and peers. [/QUOTE]
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