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<blockquote data-quote="ThoughtBubble" data-source="post: 1028865" data-attributes="member: 9723"><p>Not so much a direct response, but a request for you to read my earlier post on this topic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Any choice made in any situation leaves us with a "But how do you know that you've solved the problem?" So I'm not sure how to proceed with that one. If I act, will it have consiquences that I havn't forseen? Will evil come from this good act? That's not so much a time travelling paladin problem as it is a freewilled sentient but not all-knowing creature problem. We're digging into some fairly murky waters here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Aside from the fact that I disagree, I find this hard to take too seriously. Depending on the universe's cosmolgy, that can be a tall to impossible order. In some worlds that may be as simple as storming the gates of hell and killing all demons, devils, and evil gods. In other worlds, that may be impossible due to the nature of free will. And this is about as far as I'd like to go into that can of worms. If you'd like to clarify what the paladin should be doing aside from fighting evil beings, I'd live to hear it. Becaus this far, I see you asking him or her to put out the stars, and I feel that's a losing battle against the impossible that there wouldn't even be a momentary respite from.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And likewise, I have a problem with your assertions. The assertion that taking an action from a limited perspective (all the paladin will ever have) is somehow a bad thing makes all actions done by all non divine creatures (and possibly even them, depending on the cosmolgy) bad. The assertion that paladins should focus on chainging the nature of existance (by adressing the factors that make true evil possible) is a bad thing by the previous assertion, and is also asking for what is likely beyond the powers of any paladin to do.</p><p></p><p>Now, if this is all just a bit of drama to prove the point that "Killing evil people isn't always the answer", then maybe we can talk a little more. Otherwise your words ring hollow, and seek to confuse. </p><p></p><p>So, in somewhat inflamitory closing, if I did happen to end up renting a plot of land in Baator, I'm sure I'd be renting it from you. By the way, I'm stealing your points as moral difficulties to toss at my next paladin. </p><p></p><p>Oh, and evil is what's detected by the detect evil spell. Just to cut that arguement short. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThoughtBubble, post: 1028865, member: 9723"] Not so much a direct response, but a request for you to read my earlier post on this topic. Any choice made in any situation leaves us with a "But how do you know that you've solved the problem?" So I'm not sure how to proceed with that one. If I act, will it have consiquences that I havn't forseen? Will evil come from this good act? That's not so much a time travelling paladin problem as it is a freewilled sentient but not all-knowing creature problem. We're digging into some fairly murky waters here. Aside from the fact that I disagree, I find this hard to take too seriously. Depending on the universe's cosmolgy, that can be a tall to impossible order. In some worlds that may be as simple as storming the gates of hell and killing all demons, devils, and evil gods. In other worlds, that may be impossible due to the nature of free will. And this is about as far as I'd like to go into that can of worms. If you'd like to clarify what the paladin should be doing aside from fighting evil beings, I'd live to hear it. Becaus this far, I see you asking him or her to put out the stars, and I feel that's a losing battle against the impossible that there wouldn't even be a momentary respite from. And likewise, I have a problem with your assertions. The assertion that taking an action from a limited perspective (all the paladin will ever have) is somehow a bad thing makes all actions done by all non divine creatures (and possibly even them, depending on the cosmolgy) bad. The assertion that paladins should focus on chainging the nature of existance (by adressing the factors that make true evil possible) is a bad thing by the previous assertion, and is also asking for what is likely beyond the powers of any paladin to do. Now, if this is all just a bit of drama to prove the point that "Killing evil people isn't always the answer", then maybe we can talk a little more. Otherwise your words ring hollow, and seek to confuse. So, in somewhat inflamitory closing, if I did happen to end up renting a plot of land in Baator, I'm sure I'd be renting it from you. By the way, I'm stealing your points as moral difficulties to toss at my next paladin. Oh, and evil is what's detected by the detect evil spell. Just to cut that arguement short. :D [/QUOTE]
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