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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5990276" data-attributes="member: 87792">The real problem with the fighter isn't the fighter themselves, it's the system.Mechanically, Homer and Scylla are almost clones.&nbsp; On the other hand in the same party there's mister pointy hat and mister godbotherer.&nbsp; Both of whom have several pages of spells as options in addition to the ability to hit people hard which is all Homer and Scylla have supported.&nbsp; And they get to customise the way they are built and behave.If this were a game of 3:16 where everyone had two stats (For Attacking and Not For Attacking) then our two fighters wouldn't seem boring.&nbsp; But Homer and Scylla are locked out of a third of the customisation, detail, and play by not being casters.Fighters should mechanically be no more simple than casters (in fact one of the simplest characters of all should be an evocation-spam sorceror with only a couple of spells).If anything I'd argue that fighters should be the complex ones - casters cast big, flashy effects in blocks of six seconds or even a minute.&nbsp; For a fighter an inch or a second is a matter of life and death.And this is the problem.&nbsp; Not that fighters are simple.&nbsp; But that they are simple in a very non-simple game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5990276, member: 87792"] The real problem with the fighter isn't the fighter themselves, it's the system. Mechanically, Homer and Scylla are almost clones. On the other hand in the same party there's mister pointy hat and mister godbotherer. Both of whom have several pages of spells as options in addition to the ability to hit people hard which is all Homer and Scylla have supported. And they get to customise the way they are built and behave. If this were a game of 3:16 where everyone had two stats (For Attacking and Not For Attacking) then our two fighters wouldn't seem boring. But Homer and Scylla are locked out of a third of the customisation, detail, and play by not being casters. Fighters should mechanically be no more simple than casters (in fact one of the simplest characters of all should be an evocation-spam sorceror with only a couple of spells). If anything I'd argue that fighters should be the complex ones - casters cast big, flashy effects in blocks of six seconds or even a minute. For a fighter an inch or a second is a matter of life and death. And this is the problem. Not that fighters are simple. But that they are simple in a very non-simple game. [/QUOTE]

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