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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 2945055" data-attributes="member: 35788">But see, that's exaqctly it!  There is no reason a cleric is by definition a healer.  In fact, I think the fact that most clerics are healers is a gross metagaming problem!  I like the dialogue above that hand the cleric claim to be a wizard for a bit.  That begins to demonstrate my point.  A guy who casts spells is a guy who casts spells.  Be them a wizard, cleric, sorcerer, favored soul, etc.  For any character to assume that because I have cleric written on my character sheet means that their character knows I can heal is simply metagaming!Furthermore, I've seen many parties survive without a cleric.  In fact, it has been my experience that the only gaming groups that have clerics are those that are top-notch gamers or those with at least one person that always bends under peer pressure.  My experience (and this is only my experience) has shown that while the cleric is a powerful class, it is not often chosen like the others.  My point in all of this is that parties without clerics can get along just fine.  I saw a party with fighter, rogue, sorcerer, wizard simply maul their way through several dungeons in a row.  Sure, they got injured.  But they survived on wands for outside of battle and potions for inside battle.  It can be done.  The cleric need not be the "healer."  The cleric could be the "divine fighter" whose god loves it when he defeats the enemies in his/her name.  The cleric could be the undead expert a la van Helsing who lives to take out vampires (or pick your favorite undead here).  The cleric could be a person who loves to make other people better and become a buffing expert.  The cleric might even be a social cleric and be an expert talker/diplomacist.  But every cleric need not be a healer.If people enjoy the healer role, that's cool.  It is certainly one of the possible roles a cleric can fill.  But to assume that a cleric will fill that role is no better than to assume a spellcaster will be a blaster.  Let your party's cleric find a little freedom.  By a few wands and potions!</blockquote>

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