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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 2948720" data-attributes="member: 35788">[Sarcasm]  You know, I not only allow but really enjoy when my players notice I give them access to the BoED.  I long for them to use it.  There is an arcane spell in there called healing touch.  Maybe as a DM I should start looking down upon those arcane casters who don't take that.  Better yet, maybe I should grant all good arcanists the ability to spontaneously convert a spell into Healing Touch.The question is ... would people then look down upon the arcanist who didn't? [/Sarcasm]There are many means to heal.  Some arcanist can heal normally - like the bard.  If you allow BoED all arcanists can heal with Healing Touch (Granted, at a cost to the arcanist of course.)  There are a few spells that grant Fast Healing.  Heck - if we are going to force a cleric to heal, why not force another player to play a Dragon Shamon or other class that can raise an Aura that gives everyone Fast Healing?  [Even if the Dragon Shaman ability is limited to 1/2 max HP]There is no reason to force a cleric to heal.  I have never met a good aligned character that has refused to heal a dying person EXCEPT in the instance where their deity specifically forbade it by nullifying the spell.  [IE the cleric tried it and it fizzled because the DM ruled the deity didn't want it to work on account of the deity desiring the deal of the one being healed - and that's a whole different can of worms.]  It isn't like people are saying "nope, I'd rather see you dead that heal you."  That's only one extreme stance.The majority of people are saying that maybe it is okay to tell a stupid fighter who drew his sword too quickly that he can learn his lesson by sitting in bed a few days now that we are safely home.  What's the harm in that so long as the fighter isn't on death's door?  Maybe the cleric says "I'll convert spells to heal in combat if someone is on death's door, but if we want healing outside of combat I need wands, people."  Assuming of course that the cleric pays his share for the wand if the cleric intends on using the wand for himself.  What's the harm in a cleric watching a buddy get struck and rather than taking an action to heal the person who can probably survive more than a few rounds he instead uses his buffed attack to get into a flanking position to give the fighter an edge and take the bad guy down before the fighter can get hit again?There is no reason to force an opinion upon anyone, and there is certainly no reason to say that all "non-healing" clerics would rather see someone die than heal them.  I've personally never met a player who let another die without at least trying to heal them.Maybe I'll just play favored souls from now on.  Now spontaneous casting (of cure spells, that is), no turning, and 3 good saves can't hurt!  Plus, weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization.  Only thing cheesey is that I'd never go full 20 levels because I hate the idea of a PC that permanently has wings.</blockquote>

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