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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ipissimus" data-source="post: 2949598" data-attributes="member: 41514">Even friends can get shirty with each other, sometimes with disastrous results.There's a big difference between playing an interesting character and being anti-social. Clerics who refuse to heal when they can, abuse their power to lord it over the other players (such as the extortion racket scam) and blatently ignore the fact that DnD is based around certain principles of gameplay are being anti-social, much like the thief that steals from other PCs (yet another character type I dump into vats of acid) or the guy that plays evil characters then runs around raping NPCs (had one of those, kicked him out of the gaming group after about 5 minutes).I've played many clerics, 1st, 2nd and 3e. Back in 1st and 2nd, there was something to be said for the 'clerics are boreing' camp. In 3e, there's just no excuse, a cleric can be built around any concept you please, heal everyone and still kick loads of ass for the entire day all at once. If you don't want to be a healer, DON'T. If you don't like the whole Cleric as band-aid thing TALK TO YOUR GROUP ABOUT IT BEFORE HAND so the absence can be compensated for. If you do that, then there's no problems.I'm not against non-standard party composition, I'm not against non-healing style Clerics. If the rogue slits a ton of throats and you refuse to heal him, that's your perogative. I've dumped rogues over cliffs for similar transgressions while playing Paladins. What I'm against are Clerics that refuse to heal at all for no good reason when they can easily, or extort their 'friends' for anything of value. I've had it happen at my table and it is not fun at all and it can ruin friendships. And is it any wonder when your character's acting like a jerk?Clerics can heal at any time without losing their ability to do other things in 3.Xe. Everyone has a much better chance of surviving if the Cleric heals them, it's one of the principles that DnD is built on. Players get attached to their characters, that's been true since day 1, having your character die is no fun at all. As a DM, I LOATHE it when a PC dies. It slows down the game, the player gets upset (particularly if they died due to the action or inaction of another PC), it creates migranes because you have to go through that whole character creation process yet again. Do I still kill PCs? Sure I do, but only if they deserve it.If your party doesn't have a Cleric, EVERYONE, including the DM, has to do a boat load of work to make up for it. And the DM's already got a boat load of work to do. But it can be done, it just takes planning. Even if the party has an NPC Cleric with Vow of Poverty, Vow of Nonviolence and such who does nothing but heal. Or if the party has some sort of artefact that can heal commesurate to their level.Yet another option for your group is the elegant idea of PLAYING ANOTHER RPG. There are tons of other RPGs that are just as good, if not better, than DnD that don't require anyone to be a healer.</blockquote>

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