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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ipissimus" data-source="post: 2953215" data-attributes="member: 41514">I agree with the people who have said that healing is not an either/or thing. Clerics can heal and they can do everything else you could ever want them to do. A Cleric gets a whole ton of spells per day, even without high wisdom, several of which almost HAVE to be non-healing spells (unless you have the healing domain and chose to use it).I can make a War Cleric that can buff himself into the stratosphere and still heal everyone. Conversely, I can make a Cloistered Cleric that makes a Wizard look like a poor second cousin at blasting people, and he can still heal everyone without feeling the pinch. The Cleric class is a marvel of flexibility, both in mechanics and in practice.The problem with not getting any healing isn't the first fight. It's the second, the third, the fourth... on and on and on. Your Fighter can have as many HP as he likes and AC so high the Gods have trouble hitting him, but anything can roll a 20. Eventually, those HP will get whittled down and sleeping for a night give you back a measly 1 hp... maybe 2. Then the fighter has to come back and do the same job the next day... death by 1000 cuts. The whole party gets whittled down and if the Cleric doesn't do it for free, all your hard-earned money goes out the door.So, is it any wonder the Fighters want healing? A Wizard's at death's door without healing, even if they haven't dumped Con. Nobody wants their character to die, if the Cleric can fix that easily, the whole party prospers. Alot of players will play without a Fighter, Wizard or Thief but most will balk at a party without a Cleric.As for taking healing away completely... it's not as easy as just crossing out the spells from the list. If you run a combat heavy campaign, then the rules for damage need to be changed so that you can expect the players a decent chance of survival. HP run out like sand through an hourglass with a broken bottom, particular in tougher encounters. If you're playing a combat light campaign where the characters can expect to get into a tough fight once every month or so, you're probably going to be ok. Maybe. If they're lucky.</blockquote>

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