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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1479553" data-attributes="member: 8439">1) 'trashing' is way too loaded a term and dismisses the criticisms people make. Especially sicne the majority of comments have been about why people personally would not see or did not enjoy the film.2) This is a argument I've never understood for two reasons. The first is the strange implication that I can't make a decision about whether I want to see a film without seeing the film. this is the purpose of advertising - to make up my mind for me. And if everything slanted to make me want to watch the film does the opposite, I think I have a very good basis for saying that I don't want to see the film and why. The second related point about criticism implies that I have to have seen something played out in the film before I have an opinion of it. The isn't the Crying Game here, there was no surprise ending, nothing the reviewers, the previews or the hundreds of (convient for publicity) 'news' peices didn't lay out for us. I know what the story is about, I know what it isn't about. I know what level of "reaslism" was used, how the various characters from the source text were portrayed, what the 'message' is. More importantly, I've recieved the same information on these facets from those supporting the film as I have from those criticising it. So if I want to weigh in on the artistic or social value of a ten minute close up/slow mo of a sourging, all I have to do it check the timing and focus from two different sources who are commenting on directly seeing the film, and I'm gonna comment on it. Just like if I tell you that the movie KIDS contained an extended scene of an unconsious girl's rape with no followup or shown consequences for the rapist except that he got what he wanted, you can comment on that and what it says about the film to your heart's content and I won't say "hey, you didn't watch the film, don't trash it!"I'm not gonna say "the constumes were really dumb" or "the music detracted" because those are judgements based on the actual expeirincing of the film. But when there is no one denying that the very point of the film is to show an extended scene of torture and death, I'm gonna comment on that kind of film making, and in another forum I'll happily comment on how I respond to the religious aspects of the film and how it is received. sorry for the long digression, but the idea that you can't criticise uncontested facts about a movie without seeing the movie has always rubbed me the wrong way. Unless those critisicms include a factual inaccuracy that you can correct from seeing the film, let it ride is my view.Kahuna Burger</blockquote>

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