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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4834083" data-attributes="member: 7635">It goes back to the chocolate rule: A little chocolate is good, a lot of chocolate will make you sick. Dragons, Demons, and other creatures like that work on the DM side of the table because the FREAKING MONSTERS. There is no way (Savage Species included) to really balance that kind of power out over 20 levels. Even savage species (with its combination of LA/HD built into a class system) failed to balances these monsters out properly. Dragons, for example, have too many intrinsic abilities that can't be balanced against core classes/races; flight, breath weapon, armor, high ability scores, magic, etc. In the beginning, these benefits overpower elven mages and dwarven fighters, but once the LA has soaked enough XP and HD is less than character level, the monster-PC starts to suffer (low hp, low saves, can't handle monsters of equal level because HD+LA != CR).A player we had in an EPIC level game played a Ghaele Eladrin (ECL 20) and suffered; while she cast as a 14th level cleric, her HD, spells, saves, and powers weren't nearly a match for the rest of the party (all 20th level PC classes). She rewrote the PC as a 19th level Aasimar cleric, and was MUCH happier for it.</blockquote>