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<blockquote data-quote="Mishihari Lord" data-source="post: 6407899" data-attributes="member: 128"><p>I find myself puzzled by the hyperbole about DMs and players being adversaries.&nbsp; And I'm not talking about the obvious bit.&nbsp; Everyone knows that while a DM may be pretending to be out to murder the PCs, he's really just trying to make the game a fun challenge of the players.&nbsp; If he wanted them dead, &quot;rocks fall, everyone dies.&quot;&nbsp; I'm talking about arguments about the power balance between players and DM.&nbsp; I recall a quote from another thread, something along the lines of &quot;I don't know why some DMs think their house rules are more important than the enjoyment of the players.&quot;&nbsp; I don't think that's ever the case.&nbsp; DMs make house rules because they think it will make the game more fun for everyone.&nbsp; That quote was just a nasty rhetorical trick to get the reader to accept the posters point sans logic.&nbsp; I think we could have better discussions and possibly better games if we could agree that a) it's not about entitled players or viking hat DMs, it's about preferences for balance of DM/player control of the game, which is just that, a preference, b) we all want to make the game fun, and c) if you're in a game where the consensus on DM/player power is not to your liking, it doesn't mean you or they are bad gamers, it just means that you're not a good fit for the group.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Mishihari Lord, post: 6407899, member: 128"] I find myself puzzled by the hyperbole about DMs and players being adversaries. And I'm not talking about the obvious bit. Everyone knows that while a DM may be pretending to be out to murder the PCs, he's really just trying to make the game a fun challenge of the players. If he wanted them dead, "rocks fall, everyone dies." I'm talking about arguments about the power balance between players and DM. I recall a quote from another thread, something along the lines of "I don't know why some DMs think their house rules are more important than the enjoyment of the players." I don't think that's ever the case. DMs make house rules because they think it will make the game more fun for everyone. That quote was just a nasty rhetorical trick to get the reader to accept the posters point sans logic. I think we could have better discussions and possibly better games if we could agree that a) it's not about entitled players or viking hat DMs, it's about preferences for balance of DM/player control of the game, which is just that, a preference, b) we all want to make the game fun, and c) if you're in a game where the consensus on DM/player power is not to your liking, it doesn't mean you or they are bad gamers, it just means that you're not a good fit for the group. [/QUOTE]

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