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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7565493" data-attributes="member: 6880599">I don't disagree with you that this is our point of contention, I brought it up again to bring it back to that since if we talk about what we agree on, no forward movement can be made. I understand you disagree with it but it is the core of the discussion at this point and if you saying its not fact you need to present something to demonstrate that. Me seeing as fact is not a belittlement of you but the point of topic for you to reply to. This brings us back to why you and I both posted bad examples trying to prove this one way or another. I am not saying I am absolutely right, only that this is where I stand and I would like to draw back to this point. Please don't take it personal and address the "Why or how this is this false?" because your doing the same thing in reverse and I am continuing to try and answer. Your question:The point of the your question as I understand it was to say if "Subclass Distribution (Active Characters)" does not include the negative then how would I include the negative since that is something done at times. If I could not it would prove your point it must be included or their is not a good way to represent that data. I answered with "Class Distribution broken down by subclass when applicable (Active Characters)" which demonstrates their is a way to be inclusive of the negative by raising to a delimiter at a higher level of class so that the broader view encompasses all subclass and classes without then use a descriptor that says show them "broken down by subclass when applicable" being a descriptor that is a not a delimiter. Which means that their is no reason for the negative to be implied in "Subclass Distribution (Active Characters)". My assertion is that Subclass is called because that is the point of the slide. As the point of the slide its limiting depicted information to that point, making Subclass a delimiter as the point of topic. The reply I am looking for is ether something like 1."Yes I can see how its possible to get a negative so that means the negative is not implied by default" which would be recognition on the focal point of debate that as the subclass is the subject it is inherently a delimiter... or 2."I disagree, because...."I assume your going to say something along #2 which I hope to bring some more insight as to why you feel subclass as the titled subject of the slide does not count as a delimiter to the point of keeping the slid relevant to characters with subclasses as the title suggests. You just said its an Enlighted answer, however I recognize that is likely in regards to breaking down subclasses only on individual class slides with number for a better understanding of data. So I am expecting a response to explain how you contest the implications of this answer being that your point was that a negative was included by default even though it was not stated and would be in contradiction to the title of the slide as the point of discussion... aka the primary Delimiter is subclass. If you are saying the subclass is not a delimiter how do you delimit subclasses alone? and what view are you looking at with all "Active Characters" since that could include races, backgrounds, feats, casters vs melee, or any other data all active character share but which is not represented on that slide....</blockquote>

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