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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 5201944" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>The very design of the game assumes DM-player conflict at the story or plot level: the players' characters are (almost always) trying to effect some sort of change to the game world, and the DM-as-world is trying in various ways to resist that change.</p><p></p><p>The problems only arise when things move out of character - where instead of Balkor the Fighter arguing with (NPC) Count Morningstar over taxation policies, it's become Bob the player arguing with Diane the DM over a rule - and yet oddly enough even that, though undesireable, can be counted as a strength of TTRPGs over computer games: the parameters in a TTRPG are set by a person interpreting a rulebook rather than a computer interpreting code, and thus can be challenged.</p><p></p><p>It's the game's job through the DM to challenge the players through their characters. It's the players' job through their characters to respond to those challenges in whatever way they see fit, and the DM's job to filter those responses through the game rules and determine what happens. Of course they're in conflict - if they weren't, one or both would not be doing their job.</p><p></p><p>Lan-"smashing a bottle over the DM's head is, however, highly excessive"-efan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 5201944, member: 29398"] The very design of the game assumes DM-player conflict at the story or plot level: the players' characters are (almost always) trying to effect some sort of change to the game world, and the DM-as-world is trying in various ways to resist that change. The problems only arise when things move out of character - where instead of Balkor the Fighter arguing with (NPC) Count Morningstar over taxation policies, it's become Bob the player arguing with Diane the DM over a rule - and yet oddly enough even that, though undesireable, can be counted as a strength of TTRPGs over computer games: the parameters in a TTRPG are set by a person interpreting a rulebook rather than a computer interpreting code, and thus can be challenged. It's the game's job through the DM to challenge the players through their characters. It's the players' job through their characters to respond to those challenges in whatever way they see fit, and the DM's job to filter those responses through the game rules and determine what happens. Of course they're in conflict - if they weren't, one or both would not be doing their job. Lan-"smashing a bottle over the DM's head is, however, highly excessive"-efan [/QUOTE]
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