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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 5206354" data-attributes="member: 704">I would argue that the attitude does not need to be stopped so much as moderated.it really comes down to what the DM and what the players expect from the game.Some players and Dm's have a strong narrative bias.  Generally, this manifests for the players as a willingness to make sub optimal tactical or strategic decisions in the interests of making the story / narrative more interesting.  For the DM, this will manifest as a willingness to disregard the dice if the result does not serve the story, or to handwave certain game elements if doing so makes the scene at hand more impressive.  This kind of a game will have a strong story emphasis.  There will be no real danger of a TPK.  If things go badly, then the DM will find a way around it (lowering the AC of hte monsters to let the pc's hit or kill more easily, etc).Other players and Dm's have a strong tactical bias.  This may manifest for the players with optimized build choices, and a tendency to question the Dm if he thinks the monster is performing better then it ought to.  For the Dm, this will manifest as a willingness to go with the result dice, even if it harms the story.  This is the game where you might encounter a TPK, and the game where the players can actually get away with killing the primary Villian by getting the jump on him during what the DM thought would be a non combat encounter.  If things go badly, then oh well.Dm vs Player is not always counter productive.When it works, it creates a sense of tension that you cannot really duplicate by pure narrative.  When the players know their characters could die during combat, it creates a sense of dramatic tension you wont get any other way.  It also creates a truer sense of accomplishment for your players when they manage to survive fights that they did not think they might have.To put it another way, haivng a campaign villain execute innocent villagers is a standard issue plot device for most games.  The villain who does that is not that remarkable.  But the villain who forced my players to run away from a fight, and who killed Bob the Fighter while doing it?  That is the NPC my players actually want to kill.END COMMUNICATION</blockquote>

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