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<blockquote data-quote="npick03" data-source="post: 9748137" data-attributes="member: 6667384"><p>My take on this is I would just ask the warlock player how they want to handle their patron, and then I would do that. This seems like a session 0 issue.</p><p></p><p>For me playing a warlock without patron drama is like ordering spaghetti bolognese without the sauce. But some people prefer buttered noodles, and I’m not going to take that away from them.</p><p></p><p>I think the reason warlocks, clerics, and paladins get targeted for DM intrusion is because their class fantasy involves them getting power from something/someone outside of the character themself. And that, kind of by default, ends up in the DM’s playspace.</p><p></p><p>(Sidebar, I would argue that rangers and druids should be part of this group too.)</p><p></p><p>Warlocks I think get hit with this extra hard because the language of the class is more explicitly legalistic with pacts and patrons. And you aren’t just praying to god or nature, you have a relationship with an NPC who can talk and have a statblock and show up in game.</p><p></p><p>And some players don't want all that. They just want to play a cool charisma caster. And that is fine. Other players revel in the drama. And that is fine too. What if the warlock player wants just a little drama, as a treat? That is also fine! Just talk it out.</p><p></p><p>Like others have said, I don’t think 5e is the game for trying to “realistically” model faustian bargains and fey contracts. Character build and mechanics are primarily how players express themselves and have agency. Messing with that is against the spirit and intention of the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="npick03, post: 9748137, member: 6667384"] My take on this is I would just ask the warlock player how they want to handle their patron, and then I would do that. This seems like a session 0 issue. For me playing a warlock without patron drama is like ordering spaghetti bolognese without the sauce. But some people prefer buttered noodles, and I’m not going to take that away from them. I think the reason warlocks, clerics, and paladins get targeted for DM intrusion is because their class fantasy involves them getting power from something/someone outside of the character themself. And that, kind of by default, ends up in the DM’s playspace. (Sidebar, I would argue that rangers and druids should be part of this group too.) Warlocks I think get hit with this extra hard because the language of the class is more explicitly legalistic with pacts and patrons. And you aren’t just praying to god or nature, you have a relationship with an NPC who can talk and have a statblock and show up in game. And some players don't want all that. They just want to play a cool charisma caster. And that is fine. Other players revel in the drama. And that is fine too. What if the warlock player wants just a little drama, as a treat? That is also fine! Just talk it out. Like others have said, I don’t think 5e is the game for trying to “realistically” model faustian bargains and fey contracts. Character build and mechanics are primarily how players express themselves and have agency. Messing with that is against the spirit and intention of the game. [/QUOTE]
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