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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9751480" data-attributes="member: 23751">That's not true unless you are forced to play classes with obligations.  You can choose not to play them, so there is ZERO punishment happening.  And since everyone who plays them has the obligation(unless the DM agrees otherwise), it's fair. Fair = everyone has the same thing.  No I'm saying that 1) opt to play a class without obligations, or 2) get your DM to change it for you.  The class isn't forced on you, so there's nothing unfair or punishing about the nature of the patron.The bard class has music and song baked into it. I hate playing a class that includes music and song.  Should I demand that music and song be removed so that I can play a bard that is based on knowledge and story only?  Is it unfair and punishing that it includes music and song?  Or should I just not play a bard and play the every other class out there that doesn't have music and song, leaving bards to those who like it as is?This is D&D.  The fey are not like they are in the stories, or at least most of them are not.  And you are leaving out genies, freaking angels(those try to screw you over), the hexblade(could be done with a war god or some other patron).  The two undead pacts could be done with a Baelnorn or other good undead.You have choices. The only way a Great Old One forces you to become like it is if you CHOOSE to play that and have it done to  you, in which case it isn't forced.Um, again.  Demon, devil and Cthulhu.  If you can choose those patrons and you don't realize that they are going to be malicious...Oh, you can throw in efreeti into that as well.  If you choose genie, select something that isn't efreeti.Write up the pact with the DM.  Get the obligations from both sides down on paper.  Not only would that be awesome, and something that I think most DMs would not only allow, but be happy to do, but it would be better for roleplaying both the patron and warlock, AND put your mind at ease even more than what [USER=6747251]@Micah Sweet[/USER] is suggesting.</blockquote>

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