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Message: <blockquote data-quote="scott2978" data-source="post: 5871868" data-attributes="member: 6667922">Thanks for pointing out those are actually humanoids Greenfield, I wasn't sure. But that still doesn't make a ring of Alter Self overpowered. You mentioned using it to swim, fly and gain AC, but any 5th level wizard can already do all those things, plus he can cast Alter Self too! So it's probably not giving this character anything that he couldn't do already if he was a wizard, or a Bard or a Rogue with a scroll. /shrug Meh...  And a ring of Alter Self would not be very expensive. If it was on command and lasted continuously, it would cost just 18,000gp. (Spell level [2] x caster level [3] x 2000 x 1.5 for continuous effect that has a duration of 10 min/level = 18,000) One might argue that it doesn't fit body slot affinities, but since the DM is making it and not a player that hardly matters. In fact cost doesn't matter at all really.  If the DM thought it might be abused, it could be made with 3 charges per day that last 30 minutes, or just one charge per day that lasts 10 minutes, or some other suitable limitation.  Just to put this idea back into perspective, remember that someone earlier in the conversation mentioned a Ring of Shapechange LOL! Talk about overpowered!  I have to admit that the idea of a cursed item that changes your race is pretty interesting. Could make for some great role playing when the Rogue comes back to town from the Caves of Chaos... as a Troglodyte <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></blockquote>

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