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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nergal Pendragon" data-source="post: 6338564" data-attributes="member: 6777649">It actually is a fact that Friar Tuck doesn't count as a monk; monks lived within monasteries while friars were outside among the people. It was enough of an important difference that there are what are considered monastic orders and what are considered friar orders.Now, that doesn't change that he's publicly perceived as a monk. I can't argue that one, and in fact it wasn't an argument I even attempted to make.I also did not state that most people think of him using a sword, so I have no idea why you are blaming me for that one. In fact, I had never stated anything about his weapon styles.Thirdly, it is a fact that monks are Eastern-based. Gary Gygax himself, in the introduction to Oriental Adventures (the 1986 edition), had this to say:Now, here's what The Destroyer is about:<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destroyer_(fiction)" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destroyer_(fiction)</a>Notice how it is that the character is using Eastern martial arts?You are correct that I am letting some opinion slip into my posts. And correct that I shouldn't have argued this in the first place. That was a mistake, and one I plan to correct in the future.Here's another actual fact: By papal law, monks were forbidden to spill blood before the Knights Templar, the Teutonic Knights, or the Knights Hospitaller were ever organized. That's a major reason why contemporaries of the three orders sometimes did not feel they were monks.Here's one more actual fact: There's no reason why any of that has to matter and why it is they can't change the monk to have proficiencies other than with what are traditionally Eastern weapons. I merely stated it as leading up to why the class existed as it did, not to say it cannot be changed.I bolded one statement in your post; that is the statement I feel is most important, and the one I most agree with. I made a mistake in even talking about the subject.</blockquote>

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