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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6276982" data-attributes="member: 17106">It's hypothetical. The idea was to take the fighter resources thread and turn it on its head a bit, but also to look at it in a more applied way. I was trying to find a tangible way of asking the question "given the right circumstances, would you let a character that is not a cleric do cleric stuff?", because we often talk about niche protection and I wanted to look at it from a different angle.It has not happened in my game, though I do have a somewhat twisted analogue of it in a non-D&D horror game that I'm running (which I apparently was unconsciously thinking of when I was working on this thread).That is a wrinkle. It's unclear sometimes what is and is not inside the rules. The same thing also arises with other classes though. For example, if a fighter wants to go off the book and try some crazy stunt maneuver. Can he only do it if it's on his character sheet? What are the criteria for how far above and beyond that character sheet his actions can go? I suspect answers vary.Well, that will vary considerably depending on setting. But I do believe that the default 3e character sheet had a space for "deity" to be fair.Exactly my point. My point is that the cleric is filling that niche, so should we actively try to protect it, and if so how far will we go to do so?That is my intent. Maybe he just wants to be really good at fighting and doesn't want to get sidetracked with special abilities. Maybe he doesn't want a code of conduct (he's following a NG deity after all, not a LG one). Maybe that's what he was brought up to be. There are plenty of reasons as to why even a strongly religious character would not want to be a cleric or a paladin.Just as there are many reasons why someone other than a rogue would want to be stealthy, or someone other than a fighter would want to be good a fighting.Those things are not stated explicitly in the scenario but do fall along my assumptions. Obviously if this fighter can cast any spell he wants any time by just asking nicely that's not going to fly. And yes, this is one of those cleric-free parties.Some people on these boards get very upset about those sorts of "victimless crimes" though I happen to agree. To be fair, I've changed the scope of the discussion from general rules to one special event, but some people are very legitimately concerned with this niche protection business.I think they're both interesting. Some other people talked eloquently about the value of leaving the mechanical reality ambiguous to the players. If he fudges the stabilization roll, the players may never be sure what happened. Which is exactly how faith works; if you know for sure it's not really faith is it?I stated in the OP that this PC does not have sufficient Wisdom to cast divine spells (there's one reason to be a fighter), and changing classes like this could be hard depending on edition-specific variables, so this would require some effort. I suppose if you wanted to find or create ways around that it's possible.</blockquote>

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