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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cyclone_Joker" data-source="post: 6180903" data-attributes="member: 6750006">I'm sorry, but that doesn't work. Barbarians are weak. Barbarians without Whirling Frenzy and Frenzied Berserker or Runescarred Berserker? Very weak. Fighters are very weak, but fighters without Imperious Command, Zhentarim variant, and so on are incredibly weak. Paladins are weak, but paladins without SotAO, Battle Blessing, or Mystic Fire Knight? Almost unusuably so.Core gave us Monk. Mink, which manages to be worse than the Knight class, and almost certainly gets my vote for weakest class in  the game, as well as CoDZilla and the Wizard. It is the single most unbalanced book in the game.Honestly? An orc with a greatsword will be doing similar damage effortlessly. Honestly, and please don't take this the wrong way, I don't think the problem is with his build. I think the problem is with your expectations. Let me put it this way: A core only half-orc barbarian with 18 strength at level 6 will be doing 2d6+18 on full power attack. That's built on elite array. Were it an orc built on point buy with a NPC WBL, it would be, at the very bare minimum, 2d6+26. This is, once again, core only, with only a +1 weapon and strength gloves. Do you see where I'm going with this? The problem isn't the player, the problem is a failure in communication, or just your expectations for the system at this level.And, in my opinion, they'd be right. Banning all other books would weaken everyone's options, detract from 3.5's main draw, and, most importantly, not solve the problem.That's actually the most damning thing about core only games; Wizards still win. They still have gate, shapechange, wish, and so on. Hell, even a full-blown Tippyverse is possible using purely core rules. On the other hand, melee has... the Horizon Tripper. That's it.Yes you can. All you need to do is say "Hey, guys, why don't we do a low power campaign?"Why? CoR is quite a good book. I'd suggest against this. I can't speak for anyone else, but as a player, I'd be put off by this. I view trust as an important part of the group, so why go straight to the banhammer rather than just talking it out as a group.</blockquote>

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