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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4657950" data-attributes="member: 7635">I dunno. I think its always harder to correct an imbalance than it is to break something balanced...For example, we can both agree a 12th level magic user and a 12th level thief are not equal. A 12th level MU has a staggering variety of options at his disposal that the thief doesn't, nor will have. Its the reason why thieves need 1/2 the XP to reach 12th than a MU does (though table wonkiness corrects that too in the end). By 12th level, there are few things a thief can handle that the MU can't. If you're cool with that, fine. Thread's over. If your not, then you have to begin a long process of toning down the MU and/or up-powering the thief. Perhaps you'd fine a combination that suits your group that wouldn't fix the problem in mine. Either way, it leads to endless figuring, playtesting, revising, and tinkering just to make a 12th level thief as viable as a 12th level MU. (Or you see the alternate, 12th level thieves retiring and being replaced by 11th level MUs or 10/10 MU/Thieves...)Now, take the opposite. A 4e rogue is &quot;balanced&quot; against a 12th level wizard. They have their own methods and quirks, but at no point does the 12th level wizard outshine the 12th level rogue in any and all areas (combat, scouting, etc). Perhaps you don't like that. Its easier to add more powers to the wizard (utility powers that are 24 hour invisibility, or save or die dailies, or just giving wizards x2 as many dalies as martial PCs) to create imbalance and the desired effect.Its easier to drive on a road and chose to go off-roading than it is to stop every 20 miles to pour concrete to build the road ahead of you...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 4657950, member: 7635"] I dunno. I think its always harder to correct an imbalance than it is to break something balanced... For example, we can both agree a 12th level magic user and a 12th level thief are not equal. A 12th level MU has a staggering variety of options at his disposal that the thief doesn't, nor will have. Its the reason why thieves need 1/2 the XP to reach 12th than a MU does (though table wonkiness corrects that too in the end). By 12th level, there are few things a thief can handle that the MU can't. If you're cool with that, fine. Thread's over. If your not, then you have to begin a long process of toning down the MU and/or up-powering the thief. Perhaps you'd fine a combination that suits your group that wouldn't fix the problem in mine. Either way, it leads to endless figuring, playtesting, revising, and tinkering just to make a 12th level thief as viable as a 12th level MU. (Or you see the alternate, 12th level thieves retiring and being replaced by 11th level MUs or 10/10 MU/Thieves...) Now, take the opposite. A 4e rogue is "balanced" against a 12th level wizard. They have their own methods and quirks, but at no point does the 12th level wizard outshine the 12th level rogue in any and all areas (combat, scouting, etc). Perhaps you don't like that. Its easier to add more powers to the wizard (utility powers that are 24 hour invisibility, or save or die dailies, or just giving wizards x2 as many dalies as martial PCs) to create imbalance and the desired effect. Its easier to drive on a road and chose to go off-roading than it is to stop every 20 miles to pour concrete to build the road ahead of you... [/QUOTE]

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