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<blockquote data-quote="Mae" data-source="post: 4663731" data-attributes="member: 82342">Thank you for phrasing this so well - I think you've described the biggest issue encountered in actual play, properly heroic being the keyword. While it comes down to what the character ultimately does, the reasons may vary, and motives can be attributed to many instances (player's vision of the character being the most important, IMO, and reasons possibly being in-/out-of game.) What's a DM to do? Anything but wave his hand, really, because if the DM has presented a challenge like this, the players should be comfortable with it and get a chance to deal reason their character's view of the matter. Should a DM do this, tehn, and how often? Only if everyone's OK with it, and not that often, I think; I believe it's a great addition to the game, best used to spice things up - and therefore used sparingly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />For me, D&amp;D is what you make of it: there's many options, each (in theory) as valid as the other, yet some being considered and employed in an actual game. YMMV, as it should. But I think it's a fine medium to explore the issue, else our discussions would have been something else other than unending. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mae, post: 4663731, member: 82342"] Thank you for phrasing this so well - I think you've described the biggest issue encountered in actual play, [I]properly heroic[/I] being the keyword. While it comes down to what the character ultimately [I]does[/I], the reasons may vary, and motives can be attributed to many instances (player's vision of the character being the most important, IMO, and reasons possibly being in-/out-of game.) What's a DM to do? Anything but wave his hand, really, because if the DM has presented a challenge like this, the players should be comfortable with it and get a chance to deal reason their character's view of the matter. Should a DM do this, tehn, and how often? Only if everyone's OK with it, and not that often, I think; I believe it's a great addition to the game, best used to spice things up - and therefore used sparingly. :) For me, D&D is what you make of it: there's many options, each (in theory) as valid as the other, yet some being considered and employed in an actual game. YMMV, as it should. But I think it's a fine medium to explore the issue, else our discussions would have been something else other than unending. ;) [/QUOTE]

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