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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7363782" data-attributes="member: 6716779">First things 1st 5E does have attack granting or something similar to it via Battlemaster dice and spells. IN all cases however these are limited resources. At will attack granting however is broken in the 5E context. This is not an edition war type thing as the concept was fine in 4E and you could make it work in say AD&D (via xp tables for example) but it does not work in 5E. The main problem with it is 5E does not define a basic attack which the 4E version did. A basic attack in 5E would be weapon damage + strength or dex (perhaps charisma or wisdom in some cases). And if you are granting a cantrip casting it is even worse (Eldritch Blast, Green Flame Blade etc).  The Rogue is a main case in point with its sneak attack. A 4E Rogue had an extra 2 dice (d6's d8's with a feat) while the 5E Rogue goes all the way to 10d6 and is limited to only using that once per turn. A Warlord enabling such an attack at will is dealing a lot more damage and a Battlemaster Fighter+ Rogue is already a great 5E combo and you can also cast spells such as haste and dissonant whispers. Spells however are a limited resource and dissonant whispers is also unreliable.  Even if one worded it in such a way that you can't combine it with a Rogue there are still other things in the game that would allow a potential at will granting warlord to be broken. 1. Sharpshooter feat2. Great Weapon Master feat3. Various class abilites (eg hunter ranger).4. Various spells (hex, hunters quarry).A support class like a cleric generally deals anemic levels of damage with weapons. A basic 1d6+ 2 or 3 is generally about the best you will likely have at least early on (assuming point buy rolled stats are hard to apply). At best a cleric with martial weapons will have 2d6/1d12+ 2 or 3. A warlord will likely deal a similar amount of damage sacrificing their attack but they potentially gain a lot more damage enabling another PC. Here are some other potential non Rogue problems.Hunter Ranger with a bow using sharpshooter, warlord does its things presumably ranger uses its reaction.2d8+1d6+10+ability modifier potentially an extra 27.5 average damage. On a Rogue.1d8+10d6+5 (49.5 avg damage)Barbarian raging with great weapon master........ (you do the math) And the warlord is supposed to heal as well.  If this is not bad enough consider 4 member party.1 Warrior1 Skirmisher1 Support1 Artillery I used these names as you might have a wizard/sorcerer/warlock etc as artillery, a Rogue/Monk/Bard as skirmisher etc. You add a 5 person to that group perhaps an archer (the support PC is a warlord).1 Warrior (using Great Weapon Master)1 Skirmisher (Rogue)1 Support (Warlord)1 Artillery(Wizard)1 Archer (Fighter or Ranger with sharpshooter) Note a cleric more or less has to focus on melee and has to use spells to be really good at fighting (ranged clerics are a bit lacking without spells) and they are a bit MAD. The warlord now has a choice of 3 good targets  (Rogue, Warrior, archer)to enable depending on the situation, the Rogue can be ranged or melee as well. Any 3 of those options make a Clerics or any other support PC (Bard, Druid etc) fairly pitiful in terms of damage since the warlord can basically use the best attack in the party at range or melee and key it off the prime attribute of that class (clerics should almost always pump wisdom over anything else IMHO). And people want the warlord to heal.  And that is why I believe a potential 5E warlord needs to give up at will attack granting. An AD&D fighter gave up weapon specialisation (a 2E fighter relative to their editions is better than the 5E one), a 3.x wizard gave up DC 30-40 spell DCs (and had spells nerfed and concentration mechanic). A long time ago I claimed that the warlord should go in the Nerath campaign setting (or big book of generic campaign settings chapter), failing that a generic splat book. I also believe the artificer should be in the Eberron book as well or they may do a splat book of new classes (psion, artificer, alchemist, warlord). Those classes are probably the strongest classes as a concept that can't really be done as a subclass or something else. The key things I think a warlord should do in 5E.1. Heal probably not as good as a cleric (the 4E cleric was better at it for example)2. Some sort of tactical/inspirational type support3. Some sort of buffing I would focus on 2 subclasses initially (the 4E PHB ones), get them right and you can look at the other 4E sub classes and any new ones. A magical warlord (1/3rd caster) also takes care of some of the objections towards some warlords class abilities they could have- a Divine Tactician for example could cure a disease and grant an attack perhaps, an inspirational one grants a bonus hit dice to be used immediately etc. You would still have a class in the game called a warlord, you would still be doing mostly the same things you did in 4E. Perhaps limited in some ways just like every other class that was not a direct port. Names for subclasses can be based off 4E ones or 4E Paragon paths.  Key subclasses1. Inspirational2. TacticalPotential subclassesBravura (picks up heavy armor, 2nd attack at 5th or 6th level, worse at buffing than the other 2). Gish (warlord/arcane)Divine (warlord/cleric)</blockquote>

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