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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3546976" data-attributes="member: 30001">Well, as you suggest, reality would intrude on them from the outside.&nbsp; So some local noble from Hyboria attacks the elves, kills a bunch, the rest flee into the woods and manage to hide.At that point things are entirely different from how you describe.&nbsp; At that point they can start using their nightvision and alliances with the beasts to make life difficult for future interlopers into the forest.&nbsp; Being long-lived, they're unlikley to forget how dangerous humans are.Plus, while the humans are busy &quot;living in reality&quot; (ie. hauling water, burying their relatives, fighting amongst each other and trying to heal from the plague), elves can hone their war skills, develop plans and magic.&nbsp; People with free time don't just sit around and stare at the wall - in fact, it's not uncommon that the fighting nobility is generally those persons with the most time on their hands.&nbsp; If you've had 800 years to practice archery, you're probably pretty good at it.&nbsp; Since we call all just eat leaves, then I don't have to have 90% of my population spend all it's time farming in order to feed a small elite to do it's fighting for it.So after they've turned their forest into a fortress-maze of death-traps, they'd probably start expanding outward.&nbsp; Either magically control or bribe the local humans so that they have plenty of advanced warning of another incursion.&nbsp; Maybe blight the croplands of those who won't cooperate around the forest to give them a good buffer.Ultimately, there's no reason that humans aren't as vulnerable to the same rivalries and greed that the elves are.&nbsp; Unless there's some sort of remarkable race-based animosity, there's no reason that having a bunch of powers suddenly becomes a disadvantage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 3546976, member: 30001"] Well, as you suggest, reality would intrude on them from the outside. So some local noble from Hyboria attacks the elves, kills a bunch, the rest flee into the woods and manage to hide. At that point things are entirely different from how you describe. At that point they can start using their nightvision and alliances with the beasts to make life difficult for future interlopers into the forest. Being long-lived, they're unlikley to forget how dangerous humans are. Plus, while the humans are busy "living in reality" (ie. hauling water, burying their relatives, fighting amongst each other and trying to heal from the plague), elves can hone their war skills, develop plans and magic. People with free time don't just sit around and stare at the wall - in fact, it's not uncommon that the fighting nobility is generally those persons with the most time on their hands. If you've had 800 years to practice archery, you're probably pretty good at it. Since we call all just eat leaves, then I don't have to have 90% of my population spend all it's time farming in order to feed a small elite to do it's fighting for it. So after they've turned their forest into a fortress-maze of death-traps, they'd probably start expanding outward. Either magically control or bribe the local humans so that they have plenty of advanced warning of another incursion. Maybe blight the croplands of those who won't cooperate around the forest to give them a good buffer. Ultimately, there's no reason that humans aren't as vulnerable to the same rivalries and greed that the elves are. Unless there's some sort of remarkable race-based animosity, there's no reason that having a bunch of powers suddenly becomes a disadvantage. [/QUOTE]

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