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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 3548382" data-attributes="member: 2020">What happened here is crucial, and is a component of other fantasy settings.&nbsp; The Vanyar and the Teleri were 'high elves' in the respect I portrayed, living in blissful peace and plenty.&nbsp; Remember how I said that if no other sentient race existed to contest the world with the elves, they could relax and have their arboreal paradise?&nbsp; Well, with the Valar protecting them, with their own personal paradise of Valinor to live in, they got just that.&nbsp; The NOLDOR, however, decided to become like humans are.&nbsp; Compliments of Morgoth and his corruption, the Noldor came to see things as humans see them, learned the arts of war as humans war, became jealousy and proud and arrogant and otherwise badly behaved, just as humans are.&nbsp; So they slew their own kindred, and went off to war with Morgoth.&nbsp; The fathers of men joined them as the Edain, and the Falathrim joined them along with some of the other Sindar.&nbsp; Look what happened.&nbsp; The orcs and balrogs and dragons eventually crushed most of the elves.&nbsp; Evil men allied with Morgoth aided in this destruction.&nbsp; Most of the surviving elves, hiding in Doriath, were crushed in war with the dwarves of Nogrod, or slaughtered by their own kind.&nbsp; Finally, Gondolin, mightiest of all the elven cities, was found and destroyed in an epic battle.&nbsp; &nbsp; Beleriand after that point was dominated by orcs, the other creatures of Morgoth, evil men, and dwarves.&nbsp; And it would have remained that way, permanently, had Earendil not made his fateful voyage.&nbsp; The Noldor learned the hard way (and the Sindar too) that 'playing human' doesn't pay, not for them, for elves.&nbsp; 'Playing human' brought death, enslavement, and extermination.&nbsp; &nbsp; Had Earendil not moved the Valar to mercy, that lesson might have gone on for many more thousands of years, or perhaps for entire Ages of Arda.&nbsp; Now, extrapolate this to the D&amp;D settings.&nbsp; Here, you will see many elven nations 'playing human'.&nbsp; And they are going down the same sad road the Noldor went.&nbsp; The plot is different, the setting different, the reasons somewhat different, but the outcome is the same.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 3548382, member: 2020"] What happened here is crucial, and is a component of other fantasy settings. The Vanyar and the Teleri were 'high elves' in the respect I portrayed, living in blissful peace and plenty. Remember how I said that if no other sentient race existed to contest the world with the elves, they could relax and have their arboreal paradise? Well, with the Valar protecting them, with their own personal paradise of Valinor to live in, they got just that. The NOLDOR, however, decided to become like humans are. Compliments of Morgoth and his corruption, the Noldor came to see things as humans see them, learned the arts of war as humans war, became jealousy and proud and arrogant and otherwise badly behaved, just as humans are. So they slew their own kindred, and went off to war with Morgoth. The fathers of men joined them as the Edain, and the Falathrim joined them along with some of the other Sindar. Look what happened. The orcs and balrogs and dragons eventually crushed most of the elves. Evil men allied with Morgoth aided in this destruction. Most of the surviving elves, hiding in Doriath, were crushed in war with the dwarves of Nogrod, or slaughtered by their own kind. Finally, Gondolin, mightiest of all the elven cities, was found and destroyed in an epic battle. Beleriand after that point was dominated by orcs, the other creatures of Morgoth, evil men, and dwarves. And it would have remained that way, permanently, had Earendil not made his fateful voyage. The Noldor learned the hard way (and the Sindar too) that 'playing human' doesn't pay, not for them, for elves. 'Playing human' brought death, enslavement, and extermination. Had Earendil not moved the Valar to mercy, that lesson might have gone on for many more thousands of years, or perhaps for entire Ages of Arda. Now, extrapolate this to the D&D settings. Here, you will see many elven nations 'playing human'. And they are going down the same sad road the Noldor went. The plot is different, the setting different, the reasons somewhat different, but the outcome is the same. [/QUOTE]

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