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<blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 3548494" data-attributes="member: 198">As mentioned above, not necessarily. Check out Eberron. That's a setting where the elves are sticking it to a few people <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Why are elves peaceful creatures living quietly in an arboreal paradise eating leaves? That's not exactly the flavor they have in 3e, I'm not sure they had it in earlier editions, and they sure as hell didn't have it in Tolkien (since you mentioned him).Why is fighting back 'playing human'? Elves, dwarves, hobgoblins, orcs, monkeys with sticks and lots of other species fight back when threatened. That's not 'playing human', any more than humans liking gold is 'playing dwarf' or appreciating nature is 'playing elf'. And there's no necessary reason why elves fighting back should necessarily be destroyed. That may occur in a given setting in a given circumstance, but it's not a logical correlation in any way.Again, as mentioned above, that may be the case sometimes. But it's hardly the only option.True, but since elves aren't necessarily peaceful, gentle types (and, I'd argue, according to the flavor on elves in D&amp;D are definitely not so), that's not really an issue with elves.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shilsen, post: 3548494, member: 198"] As mentioned above, not necessarily. Check out Eberron. That's a setting where the elves are sticking it to a few people :) Why are elves peaceful creatures living quietly in an arboreal paradise eating leaves? That's not exactly the flavor they have in 3e, I'm not sure they had it in earlier editions, and they sure as hell didn't have it in Tolkien (since you mentioned him). Why is fighting back 'playing human'? Elves, dwarves, hobgoblins, orcs, monkeys with sticks and lots of other species fight back when threatened. That's not 'playing human', any more than humans liking gold is 'playing dwarf' or appreciating nature is 'playing elf'. And there's no necessary reason why elves fighting back should necessarily be destroyed. That may occur in a given setting in a given circumstance, but it's not a logical correlation in any way. Again, as mentioned above, that may be the case sometimes. But it's hardly the only option. True, but since elves aren't necessarily peaceful, gentle types (and, I'd argue, according to the flavor on elves in D&D are definitely not so), that's not really an issue with elves. [/QUOTE]

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