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Message: <blockquote data-quote="William drake" data-source="post: 3549629" data-attributes="member: 49143">"Playing Human"If the elves are older than humans, then Men; and war, or conflict is older than both, and Elves would reach this natural accurancce first, since they've been around longer; then, wouldn't it be Humans Playing Elves when War was the topic of the day, and not the other way around?I think you've taken alot of time, and mixed up some things. I think you've goten Elves, and Fey mixed up. And by Fey, I mean: pookas, redcaps, eshue and the other differnt types of the two houses: Selie, and Unselie. These are all of the magical beings/creatures: since at times they are animal like, and others, they seem to have a mind-like quality to them. They are the child-like, long nosed, wild hair, long fingers and feet creatuers that live in the woods, in the cubbords, and in unfilled shoes. But their shapes, forms and figures have to many versions for me to name here, and each that could be so defined, can be undefined and reshaped as has happened many times over to the point that all we see now are the creations made by jim henson from The Labryinth Movie. Yes, I know, they are all goblins in the movie, but my point is, at one time, there were no goblins or Elves. All Fey were good and bad, their natures were pure chaos.Elves, came about later in stories, myth, and legend when the tellers put a more human-like feel to these fantasy creations. Their nature split away, and some grew beyond the mysterious and child-like. They became a people with a history, gods, and the mind-made feel that they once really existed. The celts, goths, vikings, and some of the many germanic tribes later formed them into the clasic types we know today. Because, at one time, there were no Sun, Moon, Wild, Plain or High Elves, they were all the same, and only later as the tellings got more detailed, did the tellers make them unique, with different types and powers and so on and so on.And now that I think about it, you've done just the same, but to a much sad extent.I would ask you to read again "Elric:Song of the Black Sword" and all of the other books which you've read and see them for what they are. Tellings of a particular point of view, not fact and not certanity. I would agree, as I've said in another post. That fantasy does tend to have Men win out, but this is a large topic which is a natural progression. The new world, or the world without magic, is mundane; it is not a place for the elves. Humanity changes things, and so the elves, in most cases find themselves not wanted, or finding it simply cold to exist in a world with a mental breaking of the passions of pure reality. They see the future, and go for they know what is coming is not for them. And so, they go.Now, that was the case in Tolkien's story. Elric's is a much diffrent tale. In it, elves are evil, and crule, there are no good eives, save one, the hero, who knows that all that he, and his people are, is wrong and only because of his hate for the gods, and their fate driven world, does he do what is done in the story. My point is, if the story was set for Elric to reclaim the world, which was ruled by that Evil Melnebone empire, he would've. He certainly had the power, the knowledge, the magic. I mean, his people ruled the world for 10,000. He could've done it, but the story was set for a change, something else. So it was.You've got to understand. WE are MEN, we live in a world of Men, there is a need to relate to a human. Aragon: lord of the rings, Rakier *the red archer*: Elric and many many others. Elves are outsiders, ancient, and powerful, wise and noble *in most cases*. The stories are for human triumph *in most cases* becasue, well, we want to root for ourselves; but our winning is not an Elven falling, its just not. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Moorcock once, and let me tell you; he would not approve of what you've said. You showcase your thoughts as the Truth, the only logical reasons of the Elven Dynamic which makes Sense. I hope you reconsider.Its late now, off to bed for me. For everyone else:Game On</blockquote>

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